DEW
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11 March 2023 07:03:45
It actually snows in Manchester and the Mancunians complain about a 'snow hole'. They should try moving to the South Coast!
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Col
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11 March 2023 07:53:20
Originally Posted by: DEW 

It actually snows in Manchester and the Mancunians complain about a 'snow hole'. They should try moving to the South Coast!



I am *not* a Mancunian!!
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Bolty
11 March 2023 10:20:09
Originally Posted by: DEW 

It actually snows in Manchester and the Mancunians complain about a 'snow hole'. They should try moving to the South Coast!



I'm Mancunian and I'm moaning because I want it to warm up! Snow, frost and low/mid single figure days in the middle of March is not for me.
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ARTzeman
11 March 2023 11:09:34
Strong winds of 55mph are forecast for Monday 13th For Peasedown St John most of the day.
It means no music rehearsal for me. I do not want to travel in strong winds. 




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Others just get wet.
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Jiries
11 March 2023 21:59:54
I was thinking if this 2 snow events I had here was occurred in Dec then I would got first day 15cm instead of snowing all day and not settle until dark then it settled to 8cm follow by rain then again 6cm in blizzards conditions.  If was in Dec I would had gone over a foot deep followed by very low temps of -15 to -20C in the Midlands and -4 to -5C day time with 1ft of snow stay on the ground for long time for weeks until 18th Dec.

Snow stay on the ground in the shaded areas all day today as it turned ice from last night frost, now will disappear tonight.
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11 March 2023 22:10:16
Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

Strong winds of 55mph are forecast for Monday 13th For Peasedown St John most of the day.
It means no music rehearsal for me. I do not want to travel in strong winds. 



See associated post in Media thread
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Andy Woodcock
11 March 2023 22:33:29
Don't mention snow shadows or holes, the Penrith area lay in one for over 12 hours on Thursday night, with just a dusting by the morning, meanwhile the Lake District was plastered with even the Cumbria West Coast snow covered.

All the result of the Pennine rain shadow which occurs in strong easterly winds, i have seen it several times before notably in late March 2013 when most of the UK was snowbound I actually cut my grass!

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johncs2016
12 March 2023 00:59:54
Originally Posted by: Bolty 

I'm Mancunian and I'm moaning because I want it to warm up! Snow, frost and low/mid single figure days in the middle of March is not for me.



I fully agree with that.

I have been saying for a while that I would rather be getting on with spring now, as all of this cold and at times, snowy weather is something which I would much rather have been seeing during the winter and not in the middle of March.

So far, I have to say as well that this month is turning out to be what February should have been like and what I would have been expecting then, especially as February turned out to be completely snowless and a very poor month in terms of any wintry weather.

That reminds me of many late summer/early periods in recent years when August has been poor (and sometimes, wet) only for September to then deliver that proper summer weather which we were missing in that August.

This is just exactly the polar opposite of that, and the winter equivalent of that.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Jiries
12 March 2023 07:59:52
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

I fully agree with that.

I have been saying for a while that I would rather be getting on with spring now, as all of this cold and at times, snowy weather is something which I would much rather have been seeing during the winter and not in the middle of March.

So far, I have to say as well that this month is turning out to be what February should have been like and what I would have been expecting then, especially as February turned out to be completely snowless and a very poor month in terms of any wintry weather.

That reminds me of many late summer/early periods in recent years when August has been poor (and sometimes, wet) only for September to then deliver that proper summer weather which we were missing in that August.

This is just exactly the polar opposite of that, and the winter equivalent of that.
 



That part of the reason I stopped doing the weather data due to weather not adhere to a season.  I am strong season follower and now it March I expect some warm spring like weather to come at some point.  
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12 March 2023 08:02:34
Originally Posted by: Jiries 

That part of the reason I stopped doing the weather data due to weather not adhere to a season.  I am strong season follower and now it March I expect some warm spring like weather to come at some point.  



Like the next 2 days? not much sign of warmth after that.
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Tim A
12 March 2023 09:05:32
First half of March is definitely more wintry than Spring like , I prefer around March 21st to start looking for Spring and warmth. 

Maybe Spring is arriving, this tulip (presume an early flowering variety) is battling up this morning in the garden.    
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johncs2016
12 March 2023 09:51:05
Originally Posted by: Jiries 

That part of the reason I stopped doing the weather data due to weather not adhere to a season.  I am strong season follower and now it March I expect some warm spring like weather to come at some point.  



Originally Posted by: Irlamite 

What a ridiculous comment. 

To expect weather to adhere to a season that was devised by humans in a calendar devised by humans  is the modern day equivalent of expecting King Canute to turn back the tide. Nature will do what it does and to stop doing weather data doing because of this is.......🙄



I agree with Kev's comment here (which I have quoted above). For me, I would be much happier if the weather did fully conform with the seasons as going by the actual calendar, but I fully accept that this is generally not going to be the case.

There are two extreme events which point out very well, just how far the weather can stray from what we would expect at any time of the year. First of all, it has to be remember that snow was actually recorded in the UK back in June 1975 in what was actually the start of that year's meteorological summer then, we had the temperatures climb to more than 20°C in the south of England towards the end of the winter of 2018-2019.

If that doesn't tell you how far our weather can stray from what we would expect at any time of the year, nothing will. Although that isn't exactly what I would want to be seeing, that has nothing to do with the weather types which I find "interesting" or boring, so unseasonal weather isn't going to stop me from recording that because in my books, weather which I find to be "interesting" isn't necessarily the same weather which I actually want to be seeing.

If anything, I would probably say that unseasonal weather is actually more interesting that the type of weather which I would expect due to its unseasonal aspect of it, so I would still be more than happy to record that. What would drive me away from recording the weather is if the weather becomes more uninteresting and boring over long periods of time. By that, I'm talking about long periods of time when it virtually never rains with daily rainfall totals are constantly either 0.0 mm or a very small fraction of 1 mm.

In addition to that, there are also hardly any diurnal temperature variations from day to day during such a spell of weather with our weather being driven more or less solely by how much cloud or sunshine that there is. Such spells of weather just become more boring and monotonous over time, the longer that they drag on to the point where I then get fed up with reporting the same type of stuff all the time.

That is true, regardless of the time of year and February along with most of the winter was very much, in that sort of scenario to the point when I actually came very close to quitting from this forum as a result, simply because my overall interest in weather was waning quite a lot because of that.

Luckily, our most recent weather though unseasonal, hasn't been as boring or uninteresting. However, I am noticing that there is an overall trend which is taking place over time for the weather to become more boring and uninteresting and this is also partly shown by this season's complete absence of storms named under our current joint UK/Ireland/Netherlands system for only the first time since that system first started back in 2015.
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Jiries
12 March 2023 16:16:37
Originally Posted by: DEW 

Like the next 2 days? not much sign of warmth after that.



Yes only 2 days but this country need to rely on warm based from the sunshine this time of the year, not the mild wet type that only deliver 10-12C maxes but to get to 15-18C that normally te warmest in March required by sunshine, not rain, if rain then temps expected to be cold side.  The rain water temps does match the sea temps of the year, hence why rain water temps is milder in Autumn and early winter due to sea temps still warm.  Now is on the coldest side that why any rain had been cold rain that last to May for any unsettled weather.
Tim A
14 March 2023 11:56:08
Ready for Spring now after today, doesn't look like there is anything cold on the horizon after today.

Anything that looks borderline for snow at a few days away (such as Thursday) ends up getting watered down.   Snow sure situations at a few days out seem to be borderline for low ground. Not really sure why.   Not just going by wildly inaccurate snow depth forecasts but also Met Office warnings and text seems to get less wintry nearer the time. 

This winter season has been greatly saved by the snowfall last week, taking it here from the joint worst winter in my records to somewhere more respectable with 23cm cumulative snowfall (21cm + 2cm) and 4 days with snow cover and a first snow day for my son in his first year at school.  For me, can only remember one snow day in primary school (95) and then some late openings and early finishes in Secondary school (particularly 00/01).  Not sure about 1991 though as there was so much snow but don't remember it. 


 


 
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Bolty
15 March 2023 17:31:26
Another nasty day today, after a meteorologically interesting one yesterday. I've not seen the sun all day, and it's been stuck in the mid-single figures. Truly vile weather.

At least after today we lose a lot of the Arctic influence (for the time being anyway). Yes, it still looks unsettled, but at least the temperatures will be milder.
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richardabdn
18 March 2023 10:43:30
Yet another weekend of sickening rank suicide-inducing poison 🤢

How much more of this horror can anypone be expected to take? The vilest of vile springs to follow on from a worse than putrid Autumn and Winter.

How the hell can the models and forecasting be so useless? This was the predicted rainfall in the 6hrs up to midday from GFS
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Nothing according to that. So why the hell is it hammering down under foul murky skies yet again. It's beyond a joke. Another month that looks like having twice the average rainfall as the monthly average has already been surpassed with 13 days still to go. It's now the 6th wetter than average month in seven 🤢

On course to have the full annual average rainfall in just seven months since the start of September. There is no let up in the never ending 💩

Would far rather have the snow back than this. About the only time i've seen the sun this month and house was warmer as a result. Yesterday was a sick joke 14C with cloud and rain. Like nothing on earth these temperatures would have brought at this time of year, just as days of full sun would never have brought sub 5C maxes either.

I'm having to take the rest of the month off to use up annual leave and this is the filth I am kicked in the teeth with. A coma-inducing horror show of relentless grey skies and rain that is as atypical as it's possible to get. Used to be the the first half of March was like winter and the second like spring. Certainly not this autumnal dirge.

I truly detest this country. The worst place to live in the developed world. A miserable depressing hole 🤮🤮🤮
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Bolty
20 March 2023 22:14:02
These mild days of late have felt very strange for early spring in that they have been very showery and humid. Usually at this time of year, mild days tend to more likely than not be dry and sunny. This different combination has made it feel more like a mild burst in October than one in March, to be honest.
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Medlock Vale Weather
21 March 2023 00:17:31
Originally Posted by: DEW 

It actually snows in Manchester and the Mancunians complain about a 'snow hole'. They should try moving to the South Coast!


I think what it is is that Manchester doesn't usually get mega falls of snow like from channel lows as they normally just don't reach this far north. Here in Oldham we're part of Greater Manchester and even in the crappiest winter 2013-14 we did manage a light cover in the February. I know most other places didn't even see a flake that winter. But virtually every winter we have a covering, light or moderate. We can still get rarer heavy falls I've witnessed them too. It's by no means the worst place to live for snow. I'd say we're middle ground for England. We do "ok".
There can be big differences depending on what part of the city you live in though. South and West Manchester gets far less snow in general due to being close to sea level. Eastern parts like here are 100m+ get noticeably more.
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DEW
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21 March 2023 07:36:25
Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 

I think what it is is that Manchester doesn't usually get mega falls of snow like from channel lows as they normally just don't reach this far north.



What channel lows? They are now an endangered species, last example sometime about 1987!
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21 March 2023 16:07:05
Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


I truly detest this country. The worst place to live in the developed world. A miserable depressing hole 🤮🤮🤮




The weather's not great, either.

 

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