I don’t know why Manchester gets so much stick when you look at Glasgow on those maps. 

Indeed. Even Aberdeen is wetter than Manchester. Sunshine totals are almost identical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen#Climate

 

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I don’t know why Manchester gets so much stick when you look at Glasgow on those maps. 

In part, I blame the cricket. Old Trafford nearly every year would host a Test match and unfortunately the weather has a habit of intervening. I think the "myth" has been passed down the generations because of this,. 

There have been more washout days at Old Trafford for the cricket than any other Test ground in the UK

 

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In part, I blame the cricket. Old Trafford nearly every year would host a Test match and unfortunately the weather has a habit of intervening. I think the "myth" has been passed down the generations because of this,. 

There have been more washout days at Old Trafford for the cricket than any other Test ground in the UK

 

I've heard of the the cricket connection as well. Manchester may not be particularly wet considering the country as a whole but it can't be denied that it is considerably wetter than the other places where Test cricket is traditionally played. Therefore Old Trafford has gained something of a 'reputation' for somewhere the cricket often seems to be rained off and by extension Manchester gains a reputation for being wet.

Manchester - 829mm

Nottingham - 709mm

Leeds - 660mm

London - 602mm

But that's nothing compared to Glasgow with a whopping 1245mm. Imagine playing a Test match there?

Data taken from each cities' respective Wiki page.

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I've heard of the the cricket connection as well. Manchester may not be particularly wet considering the country as a whole but it can't be denied that it is considerably wetter than the other places where Test cricket is traditionally played. Therefore Old Trafford has gained something of a 'reputation' for somewhere the cricket often seems to be rained off and by extension Manchester gains a reputation for being wet.

Manchester - 829mm

Nottingham - 709mm

Leeds - 660mm

London - 602mm

But that's nothing compared to Glasgow with a whopping 1245mm. Imagine playing a Test match there?

Data taken from each cities' respective Wiki page.

 

Ashes Test at Old Trafford 1938 was washed out with a ball being bowled

https://i.imgur.com/Xy5x6We.jpg

 

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Ashes Test at Old Trafford 1938 was washed out with a ball being bowled

https://i.imgur.com/Xy5x6We.jpg

 

Looks like even in 1938 the idea that it 'always rains in Manchester' was already firmly entrenched in the mind of the public. What happened to this Test match would only have served to reinforce that further.

Conditions for day one of the Test (8th July) look horrendous but judging by that chart I doubt you would have had much cricket played at any Test ground.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=1&jaar=1938&maand=07&dag=08&uur=1200&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref

 

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If there was no cloud cover, every place on Earth would get the same amount of sun during a year.

That would technically only be true though if we took the time of sunrise and sunset to be the times when the centre of the Sun's disk was on the horizon and didn't allow for atmospheric refraction.

However, atmospheric refraction does affect things and the time of sunrise and sunset is taken to be the time when the very top of the Sun's disk is on the horizon, rather than its centre.

These factors when combined, result in the time of sunrise to be earlier and the time of sunset to be later on each day than what they would otherwise be.

Furthermore, these time lags are also going to be greater, the shallower the angle at which is either rising or setting which for the Northern Hemisphere, causes those time lags to increase the further north that you go.

This would therefore result in the north of the UK on average, getting slightly more sunshine than the south of the UK.

 

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1st August and should be the warmest start to any month of the year.

What do we have? Yet more grey depressing garbage and getting even colder at only 12.4C 

When is this utterly hideous and ludicrous dross going to end? It's just intolerable. I've been dreading winter arriving and being stuck in the house all week only able to escape from the prison cell for brief cycles/walks but that nightmare has arrived this week 3 months ahead of schedule. So bad I can't even sit out in the garden and this is supposed to be the warmest part of the year

NW'lies should be producing lots of convective downpours at this time of year with some sunshine, mainly morning and evening. All we are getting is miserable overcast grey with only brief breaks and useless drizzle. Apart from the collosal downpour on Wednesday morning but that was the highlight of the week which says it all. At least the mammoth rain rates made it feel like summer. The rest of the time more like summer in Svalbard. I doubt there's been more than 15 minutes continuous sunshine at any point since Monday evening 

What the hell is going on when you can't even get a summer day that manages 2 hours of sun never mind something remotely respectable?

Even Shetland is getting better weather sitting in an area of broken cloud. Despite the cloud moving from north to south that area of broken cloud will never make it to the mainland. It was exactly the same yesterday and that managed a total of 1.7 hours sun which preposterously, despite being equal to the December daily average, was the most for five days 

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That would technically only be true though if we took the time of sunrise and sunset to be the times when the centre of the Sun's disk was on the horizon and didn't allow for atmospheric refraction.

However, atmospheric refraction does affect things and the time of sunrise and sunset is taken to be the time when the very top of the Sun's disk is on the horizon, rather than its centre.

These factors when combined, result in the time of sunrise to be earlier and the time of sunset to be later on each day than what they would otherwise be.

Furthermore, these time lags are also going to be greater, the shallower the angle at which is either rising or setting which for the Northern Hemisphere, causes those time lags to increase the further north that you go.

This would therefore result in the north of the UK on average, getting slightly more sunshine than the south of the UK.

 

OK, I didn't realise you were talking about refraction. That is a mere technicality when calculating sunshine totals and the difference it makes north to south over a year must be minimal. The difference in sunshine totals due to the fact the north is generally cloudier than the south will simply dwarf the added refraction effect in the north.

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OK, I didn't realise you were talking about refraction. That is a mere technicality when calculating sunshine totals and the difference it makes north to south over a year must be minimal. The difference in sunshine totals due to the fact the north is generally cloudier than the south will simply dwarf the added refraction effect in the north.

What's the betting that Richard would probably add "especially in Aberdeen" to the text which I have highlighted here in bold.

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Another poor day for Fulham. Grey skies , cool, intermittent rain and no sun . Looks like the next 7 days at least following the same dire pattern with currently  no sign of a change to anything like summer weather. 17 degrees at 11.30am for Fulham.......

 

I've heard of the the cricket connection as well. Manchester may not be particularly wet considering the country as a whole but it can't be denied that it is considerably wetter than the other places where Test cricket is traditionally played. Therefore Old Trafford has gained something of a 'reputation' for somewhere the cricket often seems to be rained off and by extension Manchester gains a reputation for being wet.

Manchester - 829mm

Nottingham - 709mm

Leeds - 660mm

London - 602mm

But that's nothing compared to Glasgow with a whopping 1245mm. Imagine playing a Test match there?

Data taken from each cities' respective Wiki page.

Rainfall totals  are a bit misleading when assessing the feel of the weather. For instance I recorded more rain last month than in July 2020, but there was double the sunshine and max temps over 3c higher. The Manchester summer index provides a useful comparative tool as it uses rain days.

Sorry for discussing the weather in the cricket thread, but the only other test abandoned without a ball bowled in this country was in 1890; also at Old Trafford.

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What's the betting that Richard would probably add "especially in Aberdeen" to the text which I have highlighted here in bold.

I wouldn't be surprised. OK it's hardly 'The South' but Manchester's annual sunshine is almost identical to Aberdeen's. But that won't stop Richard, never let the data spoil a good moan :)

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Rainfall maybe misleading to some of you, but I recorded another 23mm at my field in Kent today to add to the 12mm yesterday and there’s another lump of rain coming this evening.

This certainly feels like it’s the most consistently wet summer in my adult life.

The whole SE of England is a dark, brown and green slick of mud at the moment. It’s as if the very pores of the earth were oozing.

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Rainfall maybe misleading to some of you, but I recorded another 23mm at my field in Kent today to add to the 12mm yesterday and there’s another lump of rain coming this evening.

This certainly feels like it’s the most consistently wet summer in my adult life.

The whole SE of England is a dark, brown and green slick of mud at the moment. It’s as if the very pores of the earth were oozing.

It really is bizarre and unusual. 

Perfectly pleasant up here again today. 

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The whole SE of England is a dark, brown and green slick of mud at the moment. It’s as if the very pores of the earth were oozing.

That's an exaggeration!  Last Thursday we did a circuit walk from Chenies and hardly saw any mud! Likewise, the paths on the fields behind my house were in decent conditions today when I went for a walk. 

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Rainfall maybe misleading to some of you, but I recorded another 23mm at my field in Kent today to add to the 12mm yesterday and there’s another lump of rain coming this evening.

This certainly feels like it’s the most consistently wet summer in my adult life.

The whole SE of England is a dark, brown and green slick of mud at the moment. It’s as if the very pores of the earth were oozing.

You could have done worse than to spend your summer in Ireland this year. Has been very dry for much of the season, certainly here in the west at least. 

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You could have done worse than to spend your summer in Ireland this year. Has been very dry for much of the season, certainly here in the west at least. 

I was over in Dublin during the early part of the autumn back in 2010.

I know that because Dublin is on Ireland's east coast, it is one of the driest places in Ireland on average with rainfall totals which are not dissimilar to what we get here in Edinburgh, so it has probably been rather unusual for it to actually have been drier where you are during this summer.

I'm sure that it is also very unusual for it to be hotter in the Republic of Ireland than what it is here in the UK as was the case not long ago I do know that Northern Ireland recently had its hottest day on record. I don't know how hot the Republic of Ireland was at at that time. On average, I would normally expect the Republic of Ireland to be hotter than Northern Ireland for the very same reasons that I would normally expect England to be hotter than Scotland on average (.e. as a result of the Republic of Ireland being further south) but as we all know full well here in the UK, our weather doesn't always necessarily work in that way.

I would certainly agree that Ireland has probably been one of the best places to be during this summer if it is decent weather that you are after but then, that 30+°C heat which occurred fairly recently over there, at least in Northern Ireland would probably have been a bit too hot for my liking.

 

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The whole SE of England is a dark, brown and green slick of mud at the moment. It’s as if the very pores of the earth were oozing.

It really isn't. Parts of it (such as Sheppey) have only had small amounts of rain over the past three weeks, the sort of thing where you may have a heavy downpour for 5 minutes, then it stops and dries out.

It was the same at the wolf centre near Reading last week, four miles of walking along fields and through wooded areas and it was just fine - no visible puddles, for example.

What's worth mentioning is that some areas (localised) have had absolutely tons. Your 35mm, for example, over two days, is more than I've had here in three weeks... and I'm not many miles away from your field!

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Feels like everytime I look at the radar this summer, the SE seems to be getting the rain and places further north are mostly dry. Happened this weekend just gone. It has been a pretty dry weekend up here, just odd drizzly showers. 

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Feels like everytime I look at the radar this summer, the SE seems to be getting the rain and places further north are mostly dry. Happened this weekend just gone. It has been a pretty dry weekend up here, just odd drizzly showers. 

I think this conclusively proves once and for all, that it is the southerners who get virtually all of the more interesting weather which is around these days.

 

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