TimS
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05 August 2020 18:43:22
Arôme gives us 31C in East London tomorrow. 21C at 7am on Friday (only goes that far).
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
scillydave
05 August 2020 19:09:49
I've a feeling that Heathrow is one of the few automated forecasts that also receives human input hence increased reliability. They are adding human input to many more sites for the Met Office App in the near future so it should be much more reliable.
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.
Bertwhistle
05 August 2020 19:27:11

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

MetOffice app now only showing 37C


Oh no; only 37. I don't think I can bear the disappointment. 


Just another day then.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 19:54:03

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Oh no; only 37. I don't think I can bear the disappointment. 


Just another day then.



Ha, I realised after I wrote that how stupid it sounded.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 21:23:33
IPhone app has now joined the MetOffice app on 37C.

BBC lagging behind at 35C.

37C seems to be the form horse.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 21:32:56
It’s crazy to think it took 16 years to reach 100F again after 2003.

We then reach 100F again just over a year later.

We are potentially going to hit it again a week after that.

Unbelievable really.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
sunny coast
05 August 2020 21:40:58
Week ahead BBC at 955 had max of 34 Fri and my phone app say 33 for Heathrow now Fri and down to 28 by Sat and cooler Sunday
Rob K
06 August 2020 00:43:57

Originally Posted by: sunny coast 

Week ahead BBC at 955 had max of 34 Fri and my phone app say 33 for Heathrow now Fri and down to 28 by Sat and cooler Sunday


iphone app for Heathrow has 30C+ for the next six days: 30, 36, 33, 31, 32, 32, then 29 on Wednesday. 


Met Office has 29, 37, 35, 33, 33, 33.


A long hot spell by any measure. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Retron
06 August 2020 03:16:02
Heathrow still showing 37C this morning on the automated output.

However, the text forecast goes against it - which seems unusual and presumably rules out human "tweaking" to the automated forecast?

"Another mainly dry day with some long sunny spells, although an isolated shower is possible later in the day. Very hot inland, but onshore breezes keeping coastal areas cooler. Maximum temperature 35 °C."
Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 04:50:56

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Heathrow still showing 37C this morning on the automated output.

However, the text forecast goes against it - which seems unusual and presumably rules out human "tweaking" to the automated forecast?

"Another mainly dry day with some long sunny spells, although an isolated shower is possible later in the day. Very hot inland, but onshore breezes keeping coastal areas cooler. Maximum temperature 35 °C."


Looks like they have tweaked it to 36C now. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 05:15:27
Arome is now in range and is showing 37C in the west of London.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Retron
06 August 2020 05:43:47

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Looks like they have tweaked it to 36C now. 



I doubt there's much tweaking going on at this time of day... I'd suggest it's more likely the newer UKV run came out in the meantime.


(IIRC they're run every 3 hours, hence the relatively common bobbing up and down of temperature forecasts during the day).


EDIT: Here we go:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/approach/modelling-systems/unified-model/weather-forecasting


UKV:


- run hourly out to 12 hours (unless shown below).


- run at 00z, 06z, 09z, 12z, 18z, 21z to 54 hours.


- run at 03z and 15z out to 120 hours.


 I suspect the 03z run was what changed the forecast... I'm guessing it takes a little while for them to update. All eyes on the 06z update!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 06:01:30

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


I doubt there's much tweaking going on at this time of day... I'd suggest it's more likely the newer UKV run came out in the meantime.


(IIRC they're run every 3 hours, hence the relatively common bobbing up and down of temperature forecasts during the day).


EDIT: Here we go:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/approach/modelling-systems/unified-model/weather-forecasting


UKV:


- run hourly out to 12 hours (unless shown below).


- run at 00z, 06z, 09z, 12z, 18z, 21z to 54 hours.


- run at 03z and 15z out to 120 hours.


 I suspect the 03z run was what changed the forecast... I'm guessing it takes a little while for them to update. All eyes on the 06z update!


 



Thats real useful info Darren. Thanks. 


Most sites starting the crystallise around the 36C—37C now. Astonishing really. We could still get the FOURTH hottest day ever recorded.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
06 August 2020 08:51:29

There seem to have been some subtle changes in the model output to delay/moderate the start of the heat but make it last longer. Arpege now goes for 35C max tomorrow (actually checking the TWO charts there is still one solitary 36C gridpoint), but it is now up to 35C for both Saturday and Sunday.

Overnight lows look pretty remarkable with 21C or 22C possible along the south coast.


 


GFS goes two degrees higher on Saturday than on Friday:


Fri 33, Sat 35, Sun 33, Mon 34, Tue 33, Wed 32.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
The Beast from the East
06 August 2020 09:05:15

Horrific stuff. My fridge is already giving trouble and perhaps will pack up due to this


Lots of drunk fools will be out on the streets as well


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 09:32:01
MetOffice have just tweeted and they are going for 37C tomorrow.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
06 August 2020 09:40:44

Arpege ensembles imply a ~50% chance of >35C on Friday


20% chance of >35C on Saturday


5% chance of >35C on Sunday


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
06 August 2020 09:45:30

My gut is that we are all going to be dissapointed on Friday.


That what happened last week was wierd, and exceptional. And this will turn out to be a normal heatwave as the uppers imply.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
superteacher
06 August 2020 09:49:08

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


My gut is that we are all going to be dissapointed on Friday.


That what happened last week was wierd, and exceptional. And this will turn out to be a normal heatwave as the uppers imply.


 


Yes, mid 30s for potentially 5 days is a normal heatwave. . . 😂😂

Quantum
06 August 2020 09:52:03

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Yes, mid 30s for potentially 5 days is a normal heatwave. . . 😂😂



May be wrong but I doubt we will see mid 30s for 5 days. Certainly Friday but I doubt we will get close to the record like we did last week.


Tbh though it kinda feels like mid 30s is the new normal, I can't remember the last time we didn't see mid 30s at least once per summer.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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