You should worry, young man! But to try and get some perspective my knee replacement op had a 3% risk of a stroke and most people don't turn down the opportunity. Also that is for everybody in that age group and we know a high percentage had pre-existing conditions which will have weighted the average.

All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.

 

 

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I agree with this, but it could be worse for restaurants economically compared to staying closed! 

I suspect that one bars/restaurants are allowed to open many won’t as the social distancing requirements will make them unviable as a business.

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If I’m right, you’ve calculated the death rate as 2% of infections.  So you’d have to catch it first and if you’re outside London there’s only a 4% chance of that.  So your survival rate is looking better already Brian!  

Plus about 80%+ have pre-existing conditions. Assuming you don't and you went to a bookie you would probably get about 1000/1 .

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If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.
This can't be officially voiced without committing political suicide because most people still seem to think the government is somehow going to prevent them catching coronavirus.

What they are doing is smart and considered but would be politically unpopular if the real reasons for doing it were made clear.

Timescale may vary but we are aiming for the orange line, not the green one.

I think you have outlined the stratergy very accurately there. Herd immunity by stealth! As you say there would be absolute uproar if this was admitted but the reality is the virus is not going away and there is going to be a trade off between health and the economy to achieve a balance to stop the economy completely crashing and the number of infections/deaths getting too high.There is no getting away from the fact there are going to be casualties on a daily basis and reading between the lines the govt have envisaged x amount of deaths are acceptable as per the orange line.

If people think the government is going to prevent them from catching coronavirus,think again! It is now time for people to be personally responsible for themselves and others!!The onus is now on the individual not the government and this is what the new messege is saying.

They are using their commonsense without requiring a politician to decide what might be safe for them.
Restaurants with a small number of customers, in an area with low infection would be pretty safe especially if you are in the younger age range unlikely to notice even if you had it.

The three old people you then pass it on to might though. Another one who doesn't understand transmisssion.

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All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.

Many years ago I had a knee injury and I have to say it was far and away the worse pain I have ever had to endure and I would have been pleased to die. I would have said yes to any prospect of helpful treatment, whatever the risks. I think you will find Fairweather will have a similar opinion!

R.

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So the moral of the story is:  get some decent specs so you can see it zipping by!  

Seriously, I’ve had varifocals for a while and have had no problem. You just have to remember to move your head up and down to switch from close to distant and not just your eyes.  

Ah - must remember not to nod in an auction, Caz! Or anywhere else dodgy!

R.

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Many years ago I had a knee injury and I have to say it was far and away the worse pain I have ever had to endure and I would have been pleased to die. I would have said yes to any prospect of helpful treatment, whatever the risks. I think you will find Fairweather will have a similar opinion!

R.

 .. I was still worried about dying because I really like living 

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I think you have outlined the stratergy very accurately there. Herd immunity by stealth! 

 

I'll repeat my wild prediction from a month ago: most people will never catch this virus.

 

All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.

Exactly the point.  Going to the pub now could mean a 2% risk of dying and a hangover to boot. Not exactly an appealing offer IMHO. Beast and Tim Martin may of course think otherwise.  

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 .. I was still worried about dying because I really like living 

Good - glad to hear it, FW. Stay healthy.

p.s. While still in my pot leg, a fellow beekeeper injured his food in a combine bed. He had to move some beehives from a rough field and needed help. We managed it, with our plaster-cast-legs in fertiliser sacks to keep out the bees. What a struggle! You don't want stings inside your pot!

Did it hurt?

R.

 

 

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Had an email from Dobbies stating what my local centre will be doing from tomorrow. This will be the same across all stores that they're able to reopen.

Social distancing measures we have put in place

• We are limiting the number of customers in store at one time


• A queuing system will be in operation outside the store


• Two metre markers will be in place inside and outside of the store


• Hand sanitising and trolley cleaning stations will be available at the store entrance


• We have installed protective screens at our tills


• We ask that customers pay by card or contactless if possible


• Appropriate PPE has been provided for team members


• Team members will receive training and regular briefings on how to keep themselves and customers safe


• We are continuing our rigorous daily hygiene routines throughout the store

Our restaurants

• Whilst our restaurants and soft play remain temporarily closed, we will be offering a takeaway menu from Friday 15th May including hot and cold drinks, soups, toasties, panini and selected bakery items.


• Club Plus members will also be able to redeem their hot drink credits and birthday treat vouchers.

 

Plus about 80%+ have pre-existing conditions. Assuming you don't and you went to a bookie you would probably get about 1000/1 .

  Ahh yes!  That’s also true!  We’ll keep Brian out of ICU yet!  

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Had an email from Dobbies stating what my local centre will be doing from tomorrow. This will be the same across all stores that they're able to reopen.

Social distancing measures we have put in place

• We are limiting the number of customers in store at one time


• A queuing system will be in operation outside the store


• Two metre markers will be in place inside and outside of the store


• Hand sanitising and trolley cleaning stations will be available at the store entrance


• We have installed protective screens at our tills


• We ask that customers pay by card or contactless if possible


• Appropriate PPE has been provided for team members


• Team members will receive training and regular briefings on how to keep themselves and customers safe


• We are continuing our rigorous daily hygiene routines throughout the store

Our restaurants

• Whilst our restaurants and soft play remain temporarily closed, we will be offering a takeaway menu from Friday 15th May including hot and cold drinks, soups, toasties, panini and selected bakery items.


• Club Plus members will also be able to redeem their hot drink credits and birthday treat vouchers.

Just had something similar from Hillier's. Best of British to them with that. I'll be sticking to online. 

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Exactly the point.  Going to the pub now could mean a 2% risk of dying and a hangover to boot. Not exactly an appealing offer IMHO. Beast and Tim Martin may of course think otherwise.  

Not quite Brian!  You only have a 4% chance of catching it and from that 4%, you only have a 2% chance of dying if you have an underlying problem.  Don’t worry.  We’ve got you covered!  

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Just had something similar from Hillier's. Best of British to them with that. I'll be sticking to online. 

Actually, Hillier’s are the best of British.  By Royal Appointment!  I used to work for them many moons ago.  

Got my silly head on today!  I blame lockdown!  

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I'll repeat my wild prediction from a month ago: most people will never catch this virus.

Estimated 136,000 currently infected with it. 

"It is estimated 136,000 people in England were currently infected with COVID-19 (95% confidence interval: 76,000 to 225,000)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurvey/england10may2020

 

We are over a month now past its peak, and the virus had been running rampant even longer. So its  not inconceivable that potential infections past & present could be in the 10's of millions by now.

 

 

We are over a month now past its peak, and the virus had been running rampant even longer. So its  not inconceivable that potential infections past & present could be in the 10's of millions by now. 

How do you reconcile that with the figures Vallance revealed yesterday? Based on antibody testing the estimate is 4% past infections for the UK exc London and 10% for London.  

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Actually, Hillier’s are the best of British.  By Royal Appointment!  I used to work for them many moons ago.  

Got my silly head on today!  I blame lockdown!  

Only today 

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Agree with Hancock. Not sure what Ryan Air is playing at. 

Britons are unlikely to be able to go on foreign summer holidays this year, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.

Asked whether "summer was cancelled", he told ITV's This Morning: "I think that's likely to be the case. We haven't made a final decision on that yet but it is clear that we will seek to reopen hospitality, some hospitality, from early July if we keep successfully reducing the spread of this virus...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-government-guidance-boris-johnson-lockdown/

 

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