I know it’s been said before, but the new BBC graphics really are a disaster - you just cannot distinguish between cloud and snow.

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I know it’s been said before, but the new BBC graphics really are a disaster - you just cannot distinguish between cloud and snow.

I’m more concerned about the often stark disparity between Meteogroup and UKM forecasts than the graphics. I almost got the feeling Matt Taylor in a forecast earlier today was really struggling with matching what was being depicted on the graphics behind him and what he wanted to say based on his understanding as a meteorologist.

To the majority of Joe Public nothing is really going on but to me I find the current situation with the BBC’s provider often differing from the UKM as all rather sad.

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I’m more concerned about the often stark disparity between Meteogroup and UKM forecasts than the graphics. I almost got the feeling Matt Taylor in a forecast earlier today was really struggling with matching what was being depicted on the graphics behind him and what he wanted to say based on his understanding as a meteorologist.

To the majority of Joe Public nothing is really going on but to me I find the current situation with the BBC’s provider often differing from the UKM as all rather sad.

Totally agree. 

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I know it’s been said before, but the new BBC graphics really are a disaster - you just cannot distinguish between cloud and snow.

Tell me about it! It's the same for Frost as it is for fog and cloud etc! In fact Philip Avery actually said verbally in his BBC 1 forecast at 1035pm "I'll just take away the cloud cover graphics so you can see the snow!"

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I wonder what the chances are of the Beeb's contract with Meteociel being terminated early and them joining up with the MetO again.

These new maps are a total joke IMO.

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Best years was when they used magnetised symbols....think Michael Fish had the worst problem with this as they kept falling off the weather map...classic!

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Best years was when they used magnetised symbols....think Michael Fish had the worst problem with this as they kept falling off the weather map...classic!

https://youtu.be/FhoUq6PSJJE

😂

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I’m more concerned about the often stark disparity between Meteogroup and UKM forecasts than the graphics. I almost got the feeling Matt Taylor in a forecast earlier today was really struggling with matching what was being depicted on the graphics behind him and what he wanted to say based on his understanding as a meteorologist.

To the majority of Joe Public nothing is really going on but to me I find the current situation with the BBC’s provider often differing from the UKM as all rather sad.

Given that I understand that the BBC are still required to pass on Met Office weather warnings, what is the presenter supposed to do if the MO has a snow warning in force in force for an area while the Meteogroup forecast for that area is for no snow at all?

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I think they need to turn off the cloud layer when showing snow, frost or fog. Otherwise the graphics are unreadable.

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I wonder what the chances are of the Beeb's contract with Meteociel being terminated early and them joining up with the MetO again.

These new maps are a total joke IMO.

 

Yup - not only are they unreadable - theyre pretty inaccurate too.

 

People used to moan about the older BBC graphics, but i found them in the main to be a good representation of shower/frontal activity.   This would actually tie in quite well with their app forecast too.

 

Their current stuff is not only unreadable, but has big swathes of precip that ends up nothing like the models predicting, and nothing like what their app is saying.  Ive now switched over to Metoffice for my daily forecas videos as theres is much better than most forecasts out there right now

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I wonder what the chances are of the Beeb's contract with Meteociel being terminated early and them joining up with the MetO again.

These new maps are a total joke IMO.

The BBC's contract is with Meteogroup. To the best of my knowledge Meteociel is a completely separate business. 

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The BBC's contract is with Meteogroup. To the best of my knowledge Meteociel is a completely separate business. 

It is Brian

And what a poor decision that was , it has to be down to money ?

 

Meanwhile 

H Wilets “ parts of England and Wales could be a winter wonderland in the morning “

she did stress much uncertainty about how much snow will fall 

 

 

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Given that I understand that the BBC are still required to pass on Met Office weather warnings, what is the presenter supposed to do if the MO has a snow warning in force in force for an area while the Meteogroup forecast for that area is for no snow at all?

The presenters are in a very difficult position and it is confusing for the viewer. There may not be so much of an issue in default zonal conditions but this month  there have been massive differences between BBC forecasts and Met Office on TV, radio and apps.

BBC radio solent forecasts have been particularly poor, they quote a wide range of temps rather than a max and min like they used to!

 

 

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Just had an em from the police saying:

With heavier snow and strong winds expected later today and tomorrow, motorists are being advised only to travel if necessary.

An Amber Snow Warning has been issued by Highways England for Hertfordshire.

Doesn't appear to be consistent with what is currently showing on the Met Office website.

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An error with the dates not updating the below is for the 22nd to 31st


After a clear frosty start across southern areas on Thursday, a band of cloud and rain will spread across all parts, followed by blustery showers, these heaviest in the northwest. Showers will die out on Friday as thicker cloud and rain spreads in from the west, becoming windy. While daytime temperatures will recover to around normal, for a time we may still see overnight frosts. By the weekend it will turn unsettled and rather cold across most parts with some prolonged outbreaks of rain, particularly in western areas. Low pressure is expected to be close to the UK by the start of Easter week, with a mixture of showers, more prolonged spells of rain and some snow likely in the north.

An error with the dates not updating the below is for the 1st to 15th

There is significant uncertainty in the forecast throughout this period, but a blocked or slowly changing weather pattern is probable. There will most likely be a balance between Atlantic frontal systems affecting the south and west at times with colder air associated with high pressure out to the northeast. Mixed conditions are likely with wetter than average weather expected across the south, while staying drier and perhaps colder to the north. Further snow is possible, especially in the north. Windy conditions likely at times. Temperatures will likely be below average with further night frosts, and any milder interludes will probably be only brief.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast

Outlook

Windy start
Rain or showers
Turning cooler (North westerly winds)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/about/43442348 

Met Office has updated the snow potential for the SW (Exeter on Sunday) from this:

 

TO THIS:

 

Met office continue to upgrade snow for the SW tomorrow:

Also temps remaining at or below freezing all day - certainly much better than March 2013 already. 

 

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Bitterly cold with strong easterly winds; prolonged snowfall.

This Evening and Tonight:
Snow showers will continue on and off this evening, with bitterly cold winds. Through the early hours and area of more prolonged drifting snow will move into the southwest, bringing significant accumulations and potential for disruption. Minimum temperature -3 °C.

Don’t remember a text forecast like this in ‘proper’ winter....ever!! ( for down here )....well maybe since 2 weeks ago 😂

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Looking at the radar and the reports on here , it’s shows how crap the Beeb forecasts currently are. The Beeb focused on the South and SW well they were clearly miles out .

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Looking at the radar and the reports on here , it’s shows how crap the Beeb forecasts currently are. The Beeb focused on the South and SW well they were clearly miles out .

The strange thing is that by default the BBC weather engine runs on UKV, the same model as the Met Office use.

I can only guess that the loss of MOGREPS and, I suspect more importantly, access to the Met Office forecasters' discussion (which is issued several times a day IIRC) have had an effect.

That said, nobody did well with yesterday's forecast in this corner of the UK!

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