JACKO4EVER
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:48:39 PM
Quiet in here tonight..,,, mind you I’ve just looked at the latest model output and I’m not surprised.
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58:41 PM

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I've added in 5 and 10 day temp anomaly charts. They compare the GFS op to the 1981 - 2010 reanalysis data from NCEP. They are logically correct but I have some reservations. Hopefully they'll be of some use, the direct links are: 


5 day temp anomaly 1981 - 2010


10 day temp anomaly 1981 - 2010



Thanks Brian. That is a very useful addition to your charts.


I have just calculated the latest anomalies for the CET thread and I came up with an anomaly of -0.3C for the next 10 days. That is using data from the Meteogroup app which I understand is derived from the ECM model.


I tried using the site below to estimate the anomaly using GFS data - using Luton AP as a proxy for Rothamsted, Leeds/Bradford as the best available proxy for Stonyhurst and Brize Norton as a proxy for Pershore.


http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample_C.shtml?text=EGVN/


A bit of a rough and ready calculation but this gave me an anomaly of -0.8C. So a bit higher than ECM but still somewhat less than the -2C anomaly shown on your 10 day chart for central England.


This chart shows the anomaly for the next 8 days as in the 0C to -2C range for central England. 


http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


My calculations have the anomaly for days 1-8 as -1.2C (as opposed to the -0.8C for days 1-10). 


So your anomaly figures seem about right - possibly a little too much on the negative side. But certainly no more than a 1C variance which is easily accounted for by the rather rough and ready nature of my quick calculations.

ballamar
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:59:52 PM
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_93_1.png 

If that could slide a bit further west.....
Whether Idle
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:04:06 PM

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

Quiet in here tonight..,,, mind you I’ve just looked at the latest model output and I’m not surprised.


Cant agree with that at all.  Model fatigue has set in after months of cold chasing for many punters, sadly just as the charts start to get really interesting.


Take the ICON 18z offering - for t120 - fascinating and an upgrade:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/icone_cartes.php?&ech=120&mode=0&map=2&archive=0


 


 


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Karl Guille
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:15:17 PM
Subtle changes at T108 with the colder -4 850hPA air across western France and into the Bay of Biscay and -6 850hPA air across much of the eastern side of the UK!
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2018013018/gfs-1-108.png?18 
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Karl Guille
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:20:46 PM

Certainly something to cling on to with the 18z Op. I wonder if come T156 the 850hPA air coming in from the west will really be at -10. I am as fatigued as many but I just can't let this go!!



St. Sampson
Guernsey
Whether Idle
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:31:31 PM

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Certainly something to cling on to with the 18z Op. I wonder if come T156 the 850hPA air coming in from the west will really be at -10. I am as fatigued as many but I just can't let this go!!


 



Or you can go for -9 850 HpA air from the east:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmae_cartes.php?ech=204&code=0&carte=0&mode=0&archive=0


Fascinating seeing how this plays out.


or this at day 7-8:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=180&mode=0&carte=0&run=10


More runs needed. Thursday is still the day when we will have more of a clue about next week.


....or this -getting fingered by -10 air:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/850-hpa/168h.htm


 


 


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
tallyho_83
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:11:45 PM

Yet Again - Friday 9th into Sat 10th Feb shows a snowfest nationwide:


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Karl Guille
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:14:07 PM
Some interesting runs on the 18z GEFS tonight! East or west it matters not!!
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018013018/gens-19-0-168.png 
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Chiltern Blizzard
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:22:27 PM

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Some interesting runs on the 18z GEFS tonight! East or west it matters not!!
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018013018/gens-19-0-168.png


 


Crazy to see -8c air from both east and west almost meeting!


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
nsrobins
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:33:21 PM

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Some interesting runs on the 18z GEFS tonight! East or west it matters not!!
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018013018/gens-19-0-168.png


The problem is it does matter - especially for lowland areas. The 850 values only tell part of the story. A NW source will be much more modified from mixing out of the boundary layers and it’s this maritime influence that can turn a snow event into a sleet fest unless you benefit from altitude. Now a good clean continental flow - well you have no problems unless maybe you’re right on the coast.


Of course you can’t rule anything out, but you’d have to be a very optimistic southerner to get excited about the demise of the winter easterly. Some are talking about corrections, but we’d need to see an historic correction to get the easterly back on the menu next week.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Rob K
Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:51:55 PM

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Yet Again - Friday 9th into Sat 10th Feb shows a snowfest nationwide:


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That last chart might raise Karl's interest?


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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tallyho_83
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:07:19 AM

Quite a few Ensembles show quite a wintry Sat 10th Feb and a real dip in the jet: - But our problem as seen in every single ensemble chart is the Azores HP which ruins our chances!










 


LMAO @ the 925mb approaching the 1050mb Greenland HP! Yeah right!: 






 


Battle?




 


Plenty of colder/chillier options but noting severe cold or prolonged! - just shame that any snow will be transient and temporary and more exclusive to northern Hills.


Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Karl Guille
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:16:00 AM
The 0z ensembles are much better than some might think. I do wonder if we are sleep walking into a half decent cool to cold spell for much of the UK?
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018013100/graphe3_1000_310.8399963378906_135.8199920654297___.gif 
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Retron
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:24:21 AM

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

The 0z ensembles are much better than some might think. I do wonder if we are sleep walking into a half decent cool to cold spell for much of the UK?


Well, they certainly do look like showing a cold spell of sorts, but the devil's in the detail - source of the airmass is critically important and those aren't shown on those ensemble charts (you'd have to view the postage stamps). Still, it's nice to see some show genuinely deep cold persisting for a couple of days at least, albeit as ever they're in the small minority.


The wxmaps summary of GFS 7-day temperatures is noteworthy as it's the coldest it's been UK-wide all winter - lots of 0-2 below and some splodges of 2-4 below. In previous colder interludes, the far south has been persistently average or above average... it's had a couple of runs where it was shown as 0-2 below, but not 2-4 below.


http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.png


Also of interest are the fax charts from last night. Yes, the little low over the North Sea could potentially bring something of a wintry flavour if the fronts get far enough west, but the other thing is the pool of sub 474-dam air near to Hudson Bay. It's exceptionally rare to see such a deep cold pool on those fax charts!


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:28:08 AM

Two's version 147 snow rows best of winter also about  12 get to -10c .


 


 



 



Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Whether Idle
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:32:06 AM

Hey Gusty.  Is winter over now?


www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0



Caveat:


Don't be surprised to see either up grades or down grades from here though.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Ally Pally Snowman
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:37:08 AM

Excellent and cold ukmo run looking very battlegroundy 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gary L
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:45:12 AM

Quite close to a snow event Friday night/Saturday morning, particularly midlands Northwards. One to watch!

Retron
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:48:06 AM

Worth mentioning that the ECM run can be seen in exquisite detail here:

https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/2018013100/great-britain/temperature-850hpa/20180206-0000z.html



Watching that mild sector being squeezed out is a sight to behold. (Also, there's some snow around 😛 )


EDIT: And two days of -10C 850s from the east down here. If only, eh?


Leysdown, north Kent
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