Bolty
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19 October 2017 13:33:18

The Met Eireann have now named Saturday's low pressure system as Storm Brian. Most likely it will be worse for Ireland again, but yellow warnings are in force for the UK, which suggest 50mph gusts on Saturday afternoon for southern and central areas.


https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/920995899320553472


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Quantum
19 October 2017 13:40:05

God I really hate the concept of naming extratropical storms. There was a more enlightened era when only storms of a tropical nature were named. /rant


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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Chunky Pea
19 October 2017 14:18:45

When I think of the name 'Brian', a portly, genteel, pipe 'n slippers type of guy springs to mind, which is how I'll be viewing this 'storm' also. 


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JOHN NI
19 October 2017 14:25:51

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


God I really hate the concept of naming extratropical storms. There was a more enlightened era when only storms of a tropical nature were named. /rant



Isn't 'Brian' just a north Atlantic depression ?


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Gray-Wolf
19 October 2017 14:31:59

Well he's not the messiah.......he's a very naughty boy!!!


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ARTzeman
19 October 2017 15:44:42

Should be named for this site  "Storm Brian TWO"..... 






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nsrobins
19 October 2017 17:10:47

Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 


 


Isn't 'Brian' just a north Atlantic depression ?



The depression originated in the Bermuda area where a sub-tropical disturbance had developed in the last few days so technically ‘Brian’ is ex-tropical in nature, but not having had an NHC name it is eligible to be allocated one by Met Éireann (and by default UKMO according to the collaborative arrangement with these silly naming things).


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Bugglesgate
19 October 2017 18:43:54

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


When I think of the name 'Brian', a portly, genteel, pipe 'n slippers type of guy springs to mind, which is how I'll be viewing this 'storm' also. 



 


I think of him as this guy :-


 



 


... but then that's probably to  do with my age


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bledur
19 October 2017 19:18:28

This is Brian.


Image result for brian

Quantum
19 October 2017 19:46:48

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


The depression originated in the Bermuda area where a sub-tropical disturbance had developed in the last few days so technically ‘Brian’ is ex-tropical in nature, but not having had an NHC name it is eligible to be allocated one by Met Éireann (and by default UKMO according to the collaborative arrangement with these silly naming things).



Its just stupid. We should only name tropical systems, not Atlantic depressions. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Bertwhistle
19 October 2017 19:51:18

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


God I really hate the concept of naming extratropical storms. There was a more enlightened era when only storms of a tropical nature were named. /rant



Which includes, I think, 'tropical-like' depressions?


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20 October 2017 06:41:30

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


The depression originated in the Bermuda area where a sub-tropical disturbance had developed in the last few days so technically ‘Brian’ is ex-tropical in nature, but not having had an NHC name it is eligible to be allocated one by Met Éireann (and by default UKMO according to the collaborative arrangement with these silly naming things).



Im not worried that the sequence runs Aileen - Ophelia - Brian. The average Jack or Jill  can hang on to a name more easily than a date or a meteorological descriptor, so by the end of the season (and maybe beyond) they'll remember that there were two distinct storms not just that mid-October was a bit rough. Who knows, Ophelia being out of sequence might even prompt the memory that it was an ex-hurricane.


Good for public awareness even if the purists on this forum hate using names.


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eddied
20 October 2017 06:42:26
Brian.

The storm they called Brian.

And it grew

Grew, grew and grew

Grew up to be.

Yes it grew up to beeeeee......
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Days snow on ground:8
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Nordic Snowman
20 October 2017 06:48:00

A storm in a tea cup?


I think for 50-70mph gusts, gales should suffice - a typical depression with gales, as one would expect in autumn and winter.


Named storms should be reserved for strengths >70/80mph. 


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White Meadows
20 October 2017 07:20:08
I tend to agree the revised naming rules are rather daft and confusing. Who made this decision? The BBC probably had some influence as the nanny state.
Reserving naming for ex hurricanes gives them more of a sense of categorical importance.
What next... names for thunderstorms? breezy days? Ground Frosts?
doctormog
20 October 2017 08:01:19

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

I tend to agree the revised naming rules are rather daft and confusing. Who made this decision? The BBC probably had some influence as the nanny state.
Reserving naming for ex hurricanes gives them more of a sense of categorical importance.
What next... names for thunderstorms? breezy days? Ground Frosts?


Thor, Gail and Jack respectively. Job done. 


Phil G
20 October 2017 08:01:38
Agree with Nordic if they are going to do it then it should be reserved for storms of that magnitude when they hit our shores.

Meanwhile storm Brian Gaze barrels across the Atlantic and doubt if anyone is going to huncker down for this one. Some seaside resorts exposed to the spring tides may have some scenes for a while though.
Lionel Hutz
20 October 2017 08:19:57

https://www.met.ie/nationalwarnings/default.asp


Met Eireann now have an orange alert out for Saturday, mainly for Western and Southern Irish coasts. Presumably, similar conditions for Southern and Western parts of the UK. Not quite as bad as Monday but gusts up to 130KPH will be nasty enough.


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warrenb
20 October 2017 08:42:14
Well expecting 35-40mph gusts down here, so well in the range for towing the Caravan. So no delayed start to holiday for me. Kent to Suffolk tomorrow morning
20 October 2017 11:53:29

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

I tend to agree the revised naming rules are rather daft and confusing. Who made this decision? The BBC probably had some influence as the nanny state.
Reserving naming for ex hurricanes gives them more of a sense of categorical importance.
What next... names for thunderstorms? breezy days? Ground Frosts?


If you go back to the start of the thread and read the initial post you will see that Met Eireann named the storm not the Met Office. The convention is that a storm is named only when at least an amber (orange in the case of Ireland) warning is issued.


The Met Office made it very clear in a press release yesterday that they currently have no intention of issuing an amber warning. So from a purely UK perspective this storm would not have been named. It is only because the system works in collaboration with Ireland that we have storm Brian. The winds across Southern Ireland are expected to be much stronger than in the U.K.

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