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DEW
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27 July 2017 05:46:49

Both GFS 0z and ECM toying with unusually deep depressions in mid-Atlantic, but not agreeing on timing or track. The first of these, on the GFS, is at T+120, ECM a little later; ECM brings the depression across the UK but GFS takes it northwards. They look resemble remnant hurricanes but in fact develop locally off New England.


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Whether Idle
27 July 2017 08:04:35

To make a change from the cool unsettled zeitgeist, here is the GFS Op from the 0z run showing a plume getting briefly into the SE around 3 August.  Worth keeping a weather eye upon?


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Brian Gaze
27 July 2017 08:26:09

To make a change from the cool unsettled zeitgeist, here is the GFS Op from the 0z run showing a plume getting briefly into the SE around 3 August.  Worth keeping a weather eye upon?

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Yes. GEFS offers support I think.


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Saint Snow
27 July 2017 10:50:32

To make a change from the cool unsettled zeitgeist, here is the GFS Op from the 0z run showing a plume getting briefly into the SE around 3 August.  Worth keeping a weather eye upon?

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

 

A very IMBY post!

A transient ridge skirting a relatively small area of the UK isn't going to raise a smile for the majority.


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Saint Snow
27 July 2017 10:55:22

HLB is killing us this summer. Latest GFS is showing the now familiar theme of blocking over Greenland, drifting eastwards to set up over the Barents Sea. It prevents Atlantic lows travelling NE'wards to the north of us, and instead routes them far too close to the UK.

 


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The Beast from the East
27 July 2017 11:06:54

HLB is killing us this summer. Latest GFS is showing the now familiar theme of blocking over Greenland, drifting eastwards to set up over the Barents Sea. It prevents Atlantic lows travelling NE'wards to the north of us, and instead routes them far too close to the UK.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

As someone who hates heat, I am very happy to see it stay in Europe

Anyway, my tomatoes in the garden are growing like mad at the moment, so I'm delighted!


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Bertwhistle
27 July 2017 14:27:26

Whilst the Op and Control sit with the pack, it's good to see more spread in the later stages of the GFS ens in the 06z; this was more polarised, and worryingly lacking in outliers quite recently- unnaturally over certain for FI, that's for sure.

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=194

 


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Bertwhistle
27 July 2017 14:31:13

To make a change from the cool unsettled zeitgeist, here is the GFS Op from the 0z run showing a plume getting briefly into the SE around 3 August.  Worth keeping a weather eye upon?

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Certainly is worth keeping a weather eye, Whether I, especially since it's still there on the 06z:

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/06_165_mslp850.png?cb=338

 


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Maunder Minimum
27 July 2017 16:00:28

Just analysing the 12Z GFS run out of interest - amazing how that LP area is glued like a limpet to the NW of Scotland. Out to 60 hours and it does not budge a mile.

 


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Maunder Minimum
27 July 2017 17:01:24

12z 03 Aug - SNAFU:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_165_1.png

There must be a low pressure magnate off the NW of Scotland this year. Favourite roosting place for pesky depressions.


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Jiries
27 July 2017 17:14:45

Just analysing the 12Z GFS run out of interest - amazing how that LP area is glued like a limpet to the NW of Scotland. Out to 60 hours and it does not budge a mile.

 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

That why I mentioned why the jet stream haven't pushed it away quickly?  I started to believe there no jet stream exist at all because if so then the LP would had been already in Russia then China?  Earlier in the summer there was a jet stream right over us that brought variety of weather pattern from brief unsettled days, many settled sunny days and few heat waves all this because HP and LP move eastward freely and very normal for summer time.  Not a single sound of happy kids playing in the gardens around here for nearly 2 weeks now.

Rob K
27 July 2017 20:58:29
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Interesting how much of a hump there is in the long term average over the next few days, with the mean rising above 10C.


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Whether Idle
27 July 2017 21:00:30
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Interesting how much of a hump there is in the long term average over the next few days, with the mean rising above 10C.

Yes, in winter such a below average ensemble set would set hearts beating.  My view is that come the second week of August, things will pick up for the south.


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severnside
27 July 2017 21:28:47

 

That why I mentioned why the jet stream haven't pushed it away quickly?  I started to believe there no jet stream exist at all because if so then the LP would had been already in Russia then China?  Earlier in the summer there was a jet stream right over us that brought variety of weather pattern from brief unsettled days, many settled sunny days and few heat waves all this because HP and LP move eastward freely and very normal for summer time.  Not a single sound of happy kids playing in the gardens around here for nearly 2 weeks now.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Yeah I get what you say about the jet stream, should shift stuff along .Massive heat for central Europe. Huge high building there and completely missing us. Krakow set to get to 37.5 C the following Saturday according to GFS. But before then they have a week of hot weather starting tomorrow.My thinking is when a huge high forms over central Europe , we see no benefit. Think this happened in 2015 after our 2 day heatwave early July, but the high then blocked for a 6 weeks or so, and we had a crap summer.

Jiries
27 July 2017 22:29:12
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Interesting how much of a hump there is in the long term average over the next few days, with the mean rising above 10C.

Used to reached it peak at 11C by 9th August before but with recent cooler summers they had revised down by 2-3C lower than previously.

Rob K
27 July 2017 23:25:32

 

Used to reached it peak at 11C by 9th August before but with recent cooler summers they had revised down by 2-3C lower than previously.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

With the way summers and winters have been going, it can't be long before the long term mean line just flatlines at about 6C all year round!


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Retron
28 July 2017 04:18:11

 

Used to reached it peak at 11C by 9th August before but with recent cooler summers they had revised down by 2-3C lower than previously.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

No, it didn't. Tinypic's playing up, so I can't hotlink an image, but suffice to say even in 2008 the mean on the 9th August was 8C.


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DEW
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28 July 2017 06:04:30

There must be a low pressure magnate off the NW of Scotland this year. Favourite roosting place for pesky depressions.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

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Brian Gaze
28 July 2017 08:34:57

Still looks mixed but the heat hump remains in early August and there are signs of high pressure keeping things drier in the south at times.


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Rob K
28 July 2017 09:26:01
Yes it seems "drier" is about the best we can hope for - certainly no warmth on offer apart from the briefest of tepid pulses.

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/00_228_mslp500.png?cb=983 

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ecm/240_mslp500.png?cb=983 


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Charmhills
28 July 2017 10:11:17

GFS ems for Loughborough.

Average to below average temps with some rain from time to time.


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doctormog
28 July 2017 16:35:26
To be fair that Low is expected to shift a bit northeast based on the 12z GFS op run so far...by about 2-300 miles in about 8 days!
Gusty
28 July 2017 16:51:31

To be fair that Low is expected to shift a bit northeast based on the 12z GFS op run so far...by about 2-300 miles in about 8 days!

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

To be fair Doc despite the awful looking charts for the next 7-10 days you and Richard could do OK (ish). You will lose your dreaded SE'ly breeze in favour of a warmer offshore westerly. You may also miss most of the showers on offer between frontal rain bands. 


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Brian Gaze
28 July 2017 16:51:37

Unfortunately people are acting like toddlers again. I'm having to delete accounts. Once you're gone, you're gone these days. No new registrations. No suspensions. It's goodnight vienna. Grow up or clear off.


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doctormog
28 July 2017 17:06:13

 

To be fair Doc despite the awful looking charts for the next 7-10 days you and Richard could do OK (ish). You will lose your dreaded SE'ly breeze in favour of a warmer offshore westerly. You may also miss most of the showers on offer between frontal rain bands. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Yes, you're spot on Steve and your summary seems like a very likely outcome. Overall it seems a bit of a Groundhog Day scenario with occasional rain bands and sunshine and showers. Nothing too unusual or exciting. Good for some decent convection and with some pleasant sunshine and yes for once not dismal here .


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