And on the other side of the world (polar side that is) ...

 

... Antarctic sea ice has just broken the all-time record for extent on Sept 14th, 2013.

 

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/south/daily/data/

 

 

And on the other side of the world (polar side that is) ...

 

... Antarctic sea ice has just broken the all-time record for extent on Sept 14th, 2013.

 

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/south/daily/data/

 

There used to be an Antartic ice thread, which is where this should be, Bill.

 

I'll start a new one.  You might want to repost this in there.

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IJIS has risen for the 3rd consecutive day. I think we can safely say that the minimun occured somewhere between the 11th and 15th of September, and the exact date will depend on the measure. But I fully expect NSDIC to put the minimun somewhere in that range. 

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With a bit of luck we may even touch the former most pesimistic runs 

But im not sure if there is any great coralation between high summer minima and high winter maxima. 2012 did quite well in the spring time, even appropacing average at one point. 

 

That chart was corrected last year.  The correct one is here.

 

 

Last year, Bill? The last big dip on there looks like 2007!

 

The first chart came from Julienne Stroeve of the NSIDC and she updated the model sea ice forecasts and the observations last year.

http://folk.uib.no/ngfhd/EarthClim/Publications/Papers/stroeve_etal_2012.pdf

 

The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

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The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

Another really helpful contribution.

Quelle surprise indeed.

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The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

For crying out loud Four. I am not an activist. Seriously what have I done to justify that statement. And that graph may be slightly out of date, but Nevens site is still the best reference page avalible. Neven himself is an enthusisatic ammeatur, not a frigging 'alarmist', 'activist' e.c.t. Most of the stuff on his site is just first hand direct observations, his site isn't even primarily a climate site and is only really focussed on sea ice.

 

Incidently (not that it matters) Jullian strove has the same views as Neven, and would be catogorised by some as 'alarmist'. Not that 'alarmist' is remotely reasonable for someone like Neven or Strove, although it might be justified for the likes of Al Gore. 

 

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The first chart came from Julienne Stroeve of the NSIDC and she updated the model sea ice forecasts and the observations last year.

http://folk.uib.no/ngfhd/EarthClim/Publications/Papers/stroeve_etal_2012.pdf

 

If the boot was on the other foot I have no doubt you'd be shouting "data tampering"....

LOL

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The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

For crying out loud Four. I am not an activist. Seriously what have I done to justify that statement. And that graph may be slightly out of date, but Nevens site is still the best reference page avalible. Neven himself is an enthusisatic ammeatur, not a frigging 'alarmist', 'activist' e.c.t. Most of the stuff on his site is just first hand direct observations, his site isn't even primarily a climate site and is only really focussed on sea ice.

 

Try not to rise to the bait Q. Hopefully Admin will be aware of who is creating problems yet again.

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The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

For crying out loud Four. I am not an activist. Seriously what have I done to justify that statement. And that graph may be slightly out of date, but Nevens site is still the best reference page avalible. Neven himself is an enthusisatic ammeatur, not a frigging 'alarmist', 'activist' e.c.t. Most of the stuff on his site is just first hand direct observations, his site isn't even primarily a climate site and is only really focussed on sea ice.

 

Incidently (not that it matters) Jullian strove has the same views as Neven, and would be catogorised by some as 'alarmist'. Not that 'alarmist' is remotely reasonable for someone like Neven or Strove, although it might be justified for the likes of Al Gore. 

 

No you are not an activist you are attempting to look at the science as it really is and explain it clearly. In my opinion you are doing a very good job of this, try to avoid being upset by heckling, rational argument will win the day.

 

Minimum likely reached now.

Cryosphere Today Arctic Sea Ice Area.  Highest since 2006.

NSIDC month of September average (used in the Arcus sea ice outlook prediction game) coming in at 44% higher than last year.

Jaxa's (in the new Version2) at 51% higher than last year.

 

 

Fairly safe to call: 6th lowest on record?

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Aye - starting to look like it, bar late surprises. Has drawn away too from 2010, which had a last-minute dive....

The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

For crying out loud Four. I am not an activist. Seriously what have I done to justify that statement. And that graph may be slightly out of date, but Nevens site is still the best reference page avalible. Neven himself is an enthusisatic ammeatur, not a frigging 'alarmist', 'activist' e.c.t. Most of the stuff on his site is just first hand direct observations, his site isn't even primarily a climate site and is only really focussed on sea ice.

 

Incidently (not that it matters) Jullian strove has the same views as Neven, and would be catogorised by some as 'alarmist'. Not that 'alarmist' is remotely reasonable for someone like Neven or Strove, although it might be justified for the likes of Al Gore. 

 

Neven's Arctic sea-ice blog is the most respected of the lot. If Neven is an activist, he is active in providing the data and discussing them. I, for one, and I don't think I am somehow alone, see nothing at all wrong with that. That he also has little time for the likes of Watts, and especially Goddard, should come as no surprise to anybody who actually likes to deal with reality!

The activist preferred one is from Neven, Quelle Surprise.

For crying out loud Four. I am not an activist. Seriously what have I done to justify that statement. And that graph may be slightly out of date, but Nevens site is still the best reference page avalible. Neven himself is an enthusisatic ammeatur, not a frigging 'alarmist', 'activist' e.c.t. Most of the stuff on his site is just first hand direct observations, his site isn't even primarily a climate site and is only really focussed on sea ice.

 

Incidently (not that it matters) Jullian strove has the same views as Neven, and would be catogorised by some as 'alarmist'. Not that 'alarmist' is remotely reasonable for someone like Neven or Strove, although it might be justified for the likes of Al Gore. 

 

Neven's Arctic sea-ice blog is the most respected of the lot. If Neven is an activist, he is active in providing the data and discussing them. I, for one, and I don't think I am somehow alone, see nothing at all wrong with that. That he also has little time for the likes of Watts, and especially Goddard, should come as no surprise to anybody who actually likes to deal with reality!

The Cambridge university of the blog world per chance!

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Certainly it is well-regarded amongst the people I know who work in the field. That others utterly loathe it probably says more about them!!!

Certainly it is well-regarded amongst the people I know who work in the field. That others utterly loathe it probably says more about them!!!

I don't get how its possible to loath it! One of the biggest problems in science is poor metadata. There is alot of high quality research going on, but it is very difficult to find it especially if you have no experience yourself (for those that are a member of an instutiton it is less problamatic). However Nevens sea ice referance page really does go a long way to solve this. All the high quality data, nothing substandard and presented almost perfectly. That in itself deserves highest respect imo.  The blog itself is pitched at a level that someone who has no background may understand, but it has enough technical detail to keep things interesting; all of the interesting observed current affairs are very well presented - used together with nsdic press releases you could become a 'semi expert ammeatur' pretty quickly.

One thing that should scare you.

Blog by followers

Neven: 207

Real science: 586

 

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Yeah - stuff like that's a pity, but I think Neven is far more respected worldwide than Goddard! Q - I get the same things pass my mind - David Rose gets 150,000 pageviews and my most popular SkS pieces get 20,000. I try to console myself with the notion that the Mail readers are mostly looking at the pictures!

Tabloids: someone fortuitously pointed out this morning: The Sun Says: Muslim women shouldn't wear veils (Page one); for more about what women should wear see The Sun (page three). It's a nasty, spiteful old world out there!

Yeah - stuff like that's a pity, but I think Neven is far more respected worldwide than Goddard! Q - I get the same things pass my mind - David Rose gets 150,000 pageviews and my most popular SkS pieces get 20,000. I try to console myself with the notion that the Mail readers are mostly looking at the pictures!

Tabloids: someone fortuitously pointed out this morning: The Sun Says: Muslim women shouldn't wear veils (Page one); for more about what women should wear see The Sun (page three). It's a nasty, spiteful old world out there!

I have another one. Brian Gaze vs James madden. I expect in a couple of weeks the express will be predicting -28C by October the 3rd. Btw SKS is actually a really awesome website, I particularly like how you have basic, intermediate and expert sections. So its not just for the refutation but its also for pure climate education. To be fair though, I think the media storm was worse back in 2008 than it is now, apart from the mail it hasn't really been anywhere else. The telegraph mentioned it, but it was basically just one long quote from the mail; and they made up for that by doing a great piece a few days later. 

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