Russwirral
04 December 2017 10:35:54

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


I've certainly seen a far worse runs for cold at this time of year, that's for sure.



 


Agreed.  Based on the fact there will be more flip flops to be had.. the general picture is one that is very encouraging.  


 


The overall picture for the end of this week has tempered some what.. but it appears that has been replaced by perhaps better longevity, or along those lines, with Cold being the dominant feature in some way.


Snowedin3
04 December 2017 10:37:19

I'm not entirely sure what people are expecting to see, but the GFS 06z run is great. and looks like another cold shot after a midweek warm up next week.


 


Also as I mentioned in my previous post, watch the cold pooling start to build in North Scandinavia!


 


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Rob K
04 December 2017 10:46:35

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Channel low too far South on this run......worth watching


 


 


https://expert-images.images-weatheronline.com/daten/proficharts/en/2017/12/04/basis00/ukuk/rart/17121100_2_0400.gif



On the 06Z the first one is again too far south but at T180 a second one just about delivers!


Hints of an easterly in FI too. 


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ballamar
04 December 2017 10:46:56
Crazy end to GFS - Scandi freezer will it reach us all
warrenb
04 December 2017 10:47:04
Not sure where Darren is at the moment (Retron), but as with myself, he is an advocate of the 2 to 3 attempts before success, and I think that is exactly what we are seeing now. I know it is the end of the GFS, but again and Easterly is there.
It is like a wave breaking over a dam, and needs a few attempts to do it, I think we are going to see a pattern swap (W-E) and the waves are lapping at the to p of the dam.
Russwirral
04 December 2017 10:54:26

If nothing else, its just nice to see an LP head under a HP northerly toppler than run over the top.


 


First time  - well, maybe 7-8 yrs since i saw that happen, (at this point in the charts), last?


 


Netweather GFS Image


Saint Snow
04 December 2017 11:05:31

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


If nothing else, its just nice to see an LP head under a HP northerly toppler than run over the top. 


First time  - well, maybe 7-8 yrs since i saw that happen, (at this point in the charts), last?


 


 


Did that not happen in 2013?



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Rob K
04 December 2017 11:07:03

Well the GFS ends on a pretty perfect set-up to start the Christmas break :)

It's been trying to do this for a while but this is the first time we've seen a proper Scandi high crop up for a while. Heights over Greenland as well which would hopefully encourage trough disruption and send a low underneath to squeeze some of that cold air our way. Yes please.


 


My only quibble would be the rather pathetic cold pool to the east, but never mind!


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Russwirral
04 December 2017 11:08:41

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Did that not happen in 2013?



 


That wasnt a northerly toppler - that was more a block to the east with slider lows running up then deflecting south east.


 


 


Rob K
04 December 2017 11:11:33
In the nearer term the shift to NW winds means it looks spot on for Cheshire Gap streamers, which can deliver even as far down as my location. GFS shows some snowfall just about reaching here through Friday.
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Gandalf The White
04 December 2017 11:12:57

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


If nothing else, its just nice to see an LP head under a HP northerly toppler than run over the top.


 


First time  - well, maybe 7-8 yrs since i saw that happen, (at this point in the charts), last?


 


Netweather GFS Image



Isn't that because it’s not a toppler? There’s enough of an upper high to prevent that pulse of energy driving through. A bit like pushing at the lower part of a balloon instead of the upper part.


It’s such a delicate balancing act with sliders: too little energy and they slip away SSE and stay to the west; too much and they can end up too far east and put southern/western areas the wrong side of the cold/mild divide. This looks like the former.


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Rob K
04 December 2017 11:17:49

GEM is fun this morning with a trough disrupting and spawning a closed low as it heads SE. Lots of snow for some off this:


 



 



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Rob K
04 December 2017 11:26:02

ECM clusters anyone 



 


Not quite sure what the bottom charts indicate - any Icelandic speakers here?


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Saint Snow
04 December 2017 11:45:24

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 


That wasnt a northerly toppler - that was more a block to the east with slider lows running up then deflecting south east. 



 


Not often I say it, but I'm with GtW on this, and don't view this strictly as a toppler situation. I thought you were just talking about energy sliding under blocking to our north (2013 had a few different scenarios that delivered here, including, IIRC, blocking to our N/NW?)


 


 



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JOHN NI
04 December 2017 11:48:41
GFS 0600 run is certainly cold - but looking at the ensemble suite (for Dublin anyway)- the Operational does seem to sit considerably towards the low end of the set with most of the others showing a gradual warming out after the initial cold shot. Will be interesting to see how things pan out next week.
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kmoorman
04 December 2017 11:53:48
The 6Z ensemble shows a lot more scatter than last night's version after the weekend, and more milder options. Quite a few have a large low to our NW as the final outcome.
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Russwirral
04 December 2017 12:00:58

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Not often I say it, but I'm with GtW on this, and don't view this strictly as a toppler situation. I thought you were just talking about energy sliding under blocking to our north (2013 had a few different scenarios that delivered here, including, IIRC, blocking to our N/NW?)


 


 



 


Yeh, I realise this hasnt (yet) turned into a toppler situation.  Theres obvs better connection to GH at this point.


 


My point i suppose if there is one.. is that in years gone by - after say 10 days of model following this feature, the HP has maintained its desire to stay with a northern GH link bias... rather than dissolving to the south and introducing milder air via Iceland (the later aspect always has me saying that through gritted teeth)


 


I suppose this should be in the moaning thread on some level - as its a bit of a rant at our weather.  


fairweather
04 December 2017 12:15:11

Originally Posted by: roger63 


 


Observed a week or so back that more back that fora really cold northerly LP needed to be located close to east of England.Also observed that models often started off with this set up but that gradually nearer the time LP location tended to shift further NE bringing in a more north westerly flow.Looks as if this may happen.



Yes, that is the major change with this initial cold set up, well in the modeling anyway.  It does seem to happen annoyingly often but the background appears more set this time for other opportunities along the line as well as this one, which even with that shift N.E of the LP, still looks reasonably potent 4 days out.


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Gandalf The White
04 December 2017 12:18:32

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


ECM clusters anyone 



 


Not quite sure what the bottom charts indicate - any Icelandic speakers here?



The first two are ‘text book examples’ of a positive and negative NAO: the third one seems to translate as the current pattern; not sure about the 4th - Google translate says it means ‘sorry’...!


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roger63
04 December 2017 12:47:52

The 06 h has the ideal evolution we are hoping for.Starting at 252h  a depression crosses UK finishing up close to eastern England before moving away.This allow a more northeasterly flow to develop,  the development of HP to the northeast and finally an easterly flow over the UK.


Chance of this coming off inevitably low!

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