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briggsy6
24 September 2017 08:39:19

So what happened to our Indian Summer that I heard some people saying was on the way?


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Shropshire
24 September 2017 10:23:05

So what happened to our Indian Summer that I heard some people saying was on the way?

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

 

Horrific outlook with slow moving fronts giving potentially some incredible rain totals. 


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Gavin D
24 September 2017 10:54:36

 

 

Horrific outlook with slow moving fronts giving potentially some incredible rain totals. 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Looks fairly normal for many

The Beast from the East
24 September 2017 11:02:09

Latest GFS still hasn't picked up the rapid bombing of Hurricane Lee. Instead the scandi blocks returns

 


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David M Porter
24 September 2017 11:07:33

 

 

Horrific outlook with slow moving fronts giving potentially some incredible rain totals. 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Could you provide some back-up for that comment please, Ian?


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Bolty
24 September 2017 11:20:35

A third very anticyclonic, easterly October on the trot?


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Shropshire
24 September 2017 14:38:01

 

Could you provide some back-up for that comment please, Ian?

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Sure, we have a set-up where High pressure to the East/NE is potentially blocking the transfer of systems  West to East. This combined with aggressive cyclogenesis in the warm Atlantic has the potential to give a lot of stalling rainfall over Western and Central areas as the fronts cannot progress past the Meridian. This is clearly highlighted from midweek onwards through to day 10 on the ECM.


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David M Porter
24 September 2017 14:53:06

 

 

Sure, we have a set-up where High pressure to the East/NE is potentially blocking the transfer of systems  West to East. This combined with aggressive cyclogenesis in the warm Atlantic has the potential to give a lot of stalling rainfall over Western and Central areas as the fronts cannot progress past the Meridian. This is clearly highlighted from midweek onwards through to day 10 on the ECM.

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Assuming the ECM is proved to be correct in what it shows, that is.

Anyone who has regularly followed the ECM runs throughout the summer up to and including day 10 will know that more often than not recently, it has chopped and changed pretty regularly. For example, early last week it was indicating HP to our east building pretty strongly towards the UK and effectively blocking out the atlantic. Now it doesn't look as though that will happen.

For me, taking anything for more than a few days ahead as a given is very unwise.


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Gandalf The White
24 September 2017 21:31:21

 

Assuming the ECM is proved to be correct in what it shows, that is.

Anyone who has regularly followed the ECM runs throughout the summer up to and including day 10 will know that more often than not recently, it has chopped and changed pretty regularly. For example, early last week it was indicating HP to our east building pretty strongly towards the UK and effectively blocking out the atlantic. Now it doesn't look as though that will happen.

For me, taking anything for more than a few days ahead as a given is very unwise.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Agreed, David.  The verification stats suggest the models are broadly accurate out to T+120 but accuracy falls away sharply out to T+240. In unusual weather patterns I think it's inevitable that the accuracy levels will fall a little - a blocking pattern counts as unusual.


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doctormog
25 September 2017 07:08:15
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU00_180_1.png 

Based on a selection of model output it looks like things may get very unsettled in a week or so.

Wait for the inevitable “Britain to be battered by hurricane” nonsense in the tabloids.


Chunky Pea
25 September 2017 08:00:13



Wait for the inevitable “Britain to be battered by hurricane” nonsense in the tabloids.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

Already had those headlines over here

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/weather/topstories/dublin-weather-hurricanes-maria-and-jose-head-towards-ireland-to-unleash-devastating-storms/ar-AAsi3GY?li=AAmb2oK&ocid=ientp

 


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Arcus
25 September 2017 08:05:35
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU00_180_1.png 

Based on a selection of model output it looks like things may get very unsettled in a week or so.

Wait for the inevitable “Britain to be battered by hurricane” nonsense in the tabloids.

Indeed. Flicking through the GFS frames from 120 to 144 I found myself humming "The Wheels On The Bus".


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Charmhills
25 September 2017 10:02:25
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU00_180_1.png 

Based on a selection of model output it looks like things may get very unsettled in a week or so.

Wait for the inevitable “Britain to be battered by hurricane” nonsense in the tabloids.

Indeed,

ECM 00z looking very unsettled and at times very wet for most.

Met/o 00z brings a brief ridge in on Saturday, no doubt it wont last long though.


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Hungry Tiger
25 September 2017 10:33:34

A third very anticyclonic, easterly October on the trot?

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

I wonder how long that would have to persist before it started sending cold air in our direction.

 


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doctormog
25 September 2017 11:06:33

 

I wonder how long that would have to persist before it started sending cold air in our direction.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Until today’s GFS run would have been a start? 


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26 September 2017 06:16:47

All but into the 5-day 'reliable' forecast period and anything could happen on Sunday and after as ex-hurricanes get a move on across the Atlantic.

GFS0z - intense depression off NW Scotland at T+144 (Mon) continuing to move NE

ECM - Less intense depression but over central England at T+168 (Tue) and heading off SE to Med

MetO - Weather for the week ahead last night flatly refused to forecast anything! But the forecast they offer for Chichester shows the summary for Sunday as wet but with hour-by hour chance of rain at 10%. Fax however at T+120 shows a line of southerly tracking lows with Maria bringing up the rear for later.

Interesting times!


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overland
26 September 2017 09:02:46

All but into the 5-day 'reliable' forecast period and anything could happen on Sunday and after as ex-hurricanes get a move on across the Atlantic.

GFS0z - intense depression off NW Scotland at T+144 (Mon) continuing to move NE

ECM - Less intense depression but over central England at T+168 (Tue) and heading off SE to Med

MetO - Weather for the week ahead last night flatly refused to forecast anything! But the forecast they offer for Chichester shows the summary for Sunday as wet but with hour-by hour chance of rain at 10%. Fax however at T+120 shows a line of southerly tracking lows with Maria bringing up the rear for later.

Interesting times!

Originally Posted by: DEW 

I'm running in the Cardiff Half Marathon this weekend and I've been watching the weather for Sunday for the last few days and it has varied wildly from dry and calm to heavy rain and wind. Currently, the Metoffice 7 dayer is showing mainly dry but a 20% chance of rain which is, oddly, in contrast to Chichester's lower percentage of rain but wet. It's clearly one of those times when it will be a nowcast on the day.

 


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27 September 2017 06:27:54

Sunday still up for grabs. ECM has (reluctantly?) joiined in with GFS in developing a storm for the NW out of the remnants of Maria, but Fax and the MetO 7-dayer suggesting a lot more rain across the south. NHC agrees, placing storm Maria just off SW Ireland on Sunday (now there's a naming anomaly for Neil)

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at5.shtml?cone#contents

Lee hadn't been updated to Sunday at time of writing but may well get to cat3 status before being swallowed by Maria.

 

The local MetO forecast for Chichester has gone from no rain(<10%) for Sunday to heavy rain all day (>80% 1000 - 1900) in the space of a day. I'd back that outcome.


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nsrobins
27 September 2017 11:17:40

Sunday still up for grabs. ECM has (reluctantly?) joiined in with GFS in developing a storm for the NW out of the remnants of Maria, but Fax and the MetO 7-dayer suggesting a lot more rain across the south. NHC agrees, placing storm Maria just off SW Ireland on Sunday (now there's a naming anomaly for Neil)

Originally Posted by: DEW 

👍 I reckon secretly the UKMO is hoping the system doesn't meet their 'naming criteria' as it will be a bit complicated. 'Brian' is next on their list but what do you call a low that has ex-tropical characteristics born from the remnants of Maria and Lee?

I'm guessing 'Storm Brian derived from the remnants of a non-synchronous post-transitional fusion of ex-Hurricanes Maria and Lee' doesn't flow very well does it? 😂


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Bolty
27 September 2017 11:23:40

 

👍 I reckon secretly the UKMO is hoping the system doesn't meet their 'naming criteria' as it will be a bit complicated. 'Brian' is next on their list but what do you call a low that has ex-tropical characteristics born from the remnants of Maria and Lee?

I'm guessing 'Storm Brian derived from the remnants of a non-synchronous post-transitional fusion of ex-Hurricanes Maria and Lee' doesn't flow very well does it? 😂

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

That's something that's still being considered apparently. When the named storms scheme was first thought up, I believe it was decided that all tropical remnants would keep their hurricane name. It's not something I'mm too fond of, as it will completely mess our named system up.

Hopefully however, they end up naming it as per their system.


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DEW
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27 September 2017 15:45:38

 

👍 I reckon secretly the UKMO is hoping the system doesn't meet their 'naming criteria' as it will be a bit complicated. 'Brian' is next on their list but what do you call a low that has ex-tropical characteristics born from the remnants of Maria and Lee?

I'm guessing 'Storm Brian derived from the remnants of a non-synchronous post-transitional fusion of ex-Hurricanes Maria and Lee' doesn't flow very well does it? 😂

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

If Maria marries Lee, why shouldn't they have a son called Brian? Though it rather looks as if Maria is taking the role of the female spider and swallowing Lee whole.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
27 September 2017 16:59:11

It looks very Unsettled for Sunday and Monday and a ridge improves our Weather for Tuesday and Wednesday next week.

There is some rain in today and next 48 hours after midnight a.m. Thursday.  Saturday looks fine and settled for many.

And for the NW and North UK more Westerly winds SW to NW flow from about Wednesday and Thursday next week, at that time the SW and SE and S UK parts should see higher pressure from retreating ridge of High P. where dry and mild weather should return. 

A prolonged spell of heavy rain on Sunday and Monday early and late is possible and expected, heavy blustery showers for many with some gales and severe gales looking quite a possible forecast as via the GFS and UKMO, the ECMWF is backing these two up very well indeed, Sunday very warm and humid, or mild.  Chilly NW winds on this coming Monday.😆🔚🔎🌎.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

idj20
27 September 2017 17:15:45

 

If Maria marries Lee, why shouldn't they have a son called Brian? Though it rather looks as if Maria is taking the role of the female spider and swallowing Lee whole.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



Since the remnants are being forecast to move over Southern England where most of the chavs are, then perhaps it could be called Brianna Maria-Lee.


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DEW
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28 September 2017 06:40:42

That Atlantic low takes over both Maria and Lee The fax charts, 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx

which are the ones I would trust at this stage, look as if the north will get enhanced wind (though nothing more than an average autumn gale) and the south will get the extra rain


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Stormchaser
28 September 2017 14:45:50

Tricky temperature details within a relatively easy broader-scale setup developing next week; deep troughs near Greenland look very likely to throw a lot of warm air across N. Europe and Scandinavia at the upper levels, which then slows and takes on a general sinking tendency, promoting extensive high pressure for those regions. A 'Scuero High' as some call it - and something seen all too often mid-late last winter in place of the more effective (for wintry weather) standalone Scandinavian Highs. 

As it is, we're in mid-autumn and so the exact positioning and orientation of the extended ridge will make the difference between an 'Indian Summer' (this now being technically applicable following frosts in some spots earlier this month) and a run of very cool nights and fresh but still potentially very pleasant days (depending on how much of a breeze there is).

Either way, good odds on abundant dry weather which will be a welcome relief for many after a generally damp (in SE) to soaking wet (in N, particularly NW) Aug-Sep period. Assuming, that is, that some ex-tropical feature doesn't come along and upset the whole pattern again...!


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