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Chalkie
08 October 2011 12:23:06

 

Really?   So there was very heavy snow in the Alps and Russia?  Britain was not as cold as the previous winter?  Scotland had near or above average temperature?

Can't see he got much right at all

http://weatherearthnews.blogspot.com/2010/10/winter-201011-forecasts.html

(Joe's forecast is at the bottom - I'll be doing a similar round up of this year's winter forecasts in the next couple of weeks)

Originally Posted by: Essan 

 

I've done a round-up of sorts if it's of any use to you? You can download PDF with summaries from what was available at the time...

http://www.iontas.net/

Joe

Steam Fog
08 October 2011 12:28:59

Nice summary Chalkie.

Matty H
08 October 2011 12:33:12

 i feel he got last winter spot on. 

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Really?   So there was very heavy snow in the Alps and Russia?  Britain was not as cold as the previous winter?  Scotland had near or above average temperature?

Can't see he got much right at all

http://weatherearthnews.blogspot.com/2010/10/winter-201011-forecasts.html

(Joe's forecast is at the bottom - I'll be doing a similar round up of this year's winter forecasts in the next couple of weeks)

Originally Posted by: Frostbite80 

Indeed. ******i is one of the less nauseating long range forecasters, but his forecast last winter was rather poor. Not that you can hold that against him. He made a guess, it didn't quite work out


Yate, Nr Bristol

TBFTEIARBSC

Gavin D
08 October 2011 15:00:50

Cold end December?

Chilly November too

Issued: Saturday 8th October 2011

Duty forecasters: Simon Keeling & Captain Bob

*November*

It looks as if low pressure will at first be anchored to the west or southwest High pressure sitting over the UK, at this time of year is a recipe for typical autumnal weather; we will be chasing areas of cloud, determining the exact characteristics of the daily weather from area to area, a broad overview being essentially dry, settled and for the most part cool, offset by pleasant mid-autumn sunshine.

The Atlantic takes over through the middle period, so milder and more unsettled conditions sweeping eastward later with a generally westerly for a time, high pressure builds back again, so settled weather establishing once more.

As high pressure edges westward towards the end of the month it is possible that the first plunge of 'true' Arctic air could push south, some snow showers for a time over northern hills and mountain tops.

A colder and frosty end to the month is anticipated as this colder air becomes trapped beneath a developing area of high pressure.

*December*

Cold air and settled weather may character the opening few days of the month, this however looks as if it'll be shunted out-of-the-way by low pressure and milder Atlantic conditions, rain and strong winds for all areas and perhaps preceded by some temporary wintry mixture across the north of the UK.

The Atlantic may rule the roost for the first 10 days, thereafter winter is indicated to unfold in perhaps quite a dramatic fashion. Low pressure looks as if it'll be halted over the UK as pressure builds to the east and north of the UK, a southerly flow swinging into the southeast and east, much colder continental air being drawn into the country, wintry precipitation perhaps widespread.

Too early to say whether this cold weather will extend into the Christmas period just yet, winter 2011-12 may see some 'chopping and changing', but essential the prognosis is 'rather cold and lengthy'?

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/reports?LANG=en&MENU=206&FILE=sea&DAY=20111008 

 

 

Gavin P
08 October 2011 15:36:45

Interesting outlook from the guys at Weatheronline.


Rural West Northants 120m asl

Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids

hedgehog4
08 October 2011 17:31:55

Cold end December?

Chilly November too

Issued: Saturday 8th October 2011

Duty forecasters: Simon Keeling & Captain Bob

*November*

It looks as if low pressure will at first be anchored to the west or southwest High pressure sitting over the UK, at this time of year is a recipe for typical autumnal weather; we will be chasing areas of cloud, determining the exact characteristics of the daily weather from area to area, a broad overview being essentially dry, settled and for the most part cool, offset by pleasant mid-autumn sunshine.

The Atlantic takes over through the middle period, so milder and more unsettled conditions sweeping eastward later with a generally westerly for a time, high pressure builds back again, so settled weather establishing once more.

As high pressure edges westward towards the end of the month it is possible that the first plunge of 'true' Arctic air could push south, some snow showers for a time over northern hills and mountain tops.

A colder and frosty end to the month is anticipated as this colder air becomes trapped beneath a developing area of high pressure.

*December*

Cold air and settled weather may character the opening few days of the month, this however looks as if it'll be shunted out-of-the-way by low pressure and milder Atlantic conditions, rain and strong winds for all areas and perhaps preceded by some temporary wintry mixture across the north of the UK.

The Atlantic may rule the roost for the first 10 days, thereafter winter is indicated to unfold in perhaps quite a dramatic fashion. Low pressure looks as if it'll be halted over the UK as pressure builds to the east and north of the UK, a southerly flow swinging into the southeast and east, much colder continental air being drawn into the country, wintry precipitation perhaps widespread.

Too early to say whether this cold weather will extend into the Christmas period just yet, winter 2011-12 may see some 'chopping and changing', but essential the prognosis is 'rather cold and lengthy'?

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/reports?LANG=en&MENU=206&FILE=sea&DAY=20111008 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Looks virtually identical to 2008/2009. They got last Winter pretty decent; 
I remember them talking about a cold November and December, and more milder stretches of weather throughout January and February 

hedgehog4
08 October 2011 19:02:30

 i feel he got last winter spot on. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Really?   So there was very heavy snow in the Alps and Russia?  Britain was not as cold as the previous winter?  Scotland had near or above average temperature?

Can't see he got much right at all

http://weatherearthnews.blogspot.com/2010/10/winter-201011-forecasts.html

(Joe's forecast is at the bottom - I'll be doing a similar round up of this year's winter forecasts in the next couple of weeks)

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Indeed. ******i is one of the less nauseating long range forecasters, but his forecast last winter was rather poor. Not that you can hold that against him. He made a guess, it didn't quite work out

Originally Posted by: Frostbite80 


Yer, agree very much.
He did and still does to this date say 'he got last December correct', well in all honesty he did, but weeks after he made that infamous statement 'For the UK and Ireland, a much more milder winter than last year for them'. 
Still though, I really don't recall any statements saying that were in for a freezing cold December from him at all (until about November 30th (!!!)) 

patricia
08 October 2011 20:18:11

"Britain was not as cold as the previous winter?"

 

It was for a time  here in the south .....colder and more snow than we have seen in  many a year.

Justin W
09 October 2011 10:52:47

I do a probability-based winter forecast every year with the main forecast posted here at the beginning of December. In previous years I have posted an early forecast at the beginning of November but this year I'm posting a very early one now. This early forecast is not as detailed as the main forecast which I'll post here at the beginning of December. I hesitate to post this forecast because it is the most striking one I've come up with in the five years that I've been doing them. No doubt this will change as we get closer to winter.

 

Probability for temperature anomalies in central England for winter 2011/12

Above average: 34%

Below average: 66%

 

Monthly probabilities of temperature anomalies (deviation from long-term average)

Dec: Below average - 62%

Jan: Below average - 69%

Feb: Below average - 67%

 

 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin P
09 October 2011 11:11:39

Thanks Justin.

The odds staked for a cold winter in your view, then?


Rural West Northants 120m asl

Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids

Justin W
09 October 2011 11:14:56

Thanks Justin.

The odds staked for a cold winter in your view, then?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Hi Gavin,

At the moment, yes. What I didn't post that there is currently a one in three likelihood that January and early February will be very cold to severe. 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Matty H
09 October 2011 11:16:24

Thanks Justin.

The odds staked for a cold winter in your view, then?

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Hi Gavin,

At the moment, yes. What I didn't post that there is currently a one in three likelihood that January and early February will be very cold to severe. 

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Oh no, they've got to you too, Justin

 

 


Yate, Nr Bristol

TBFTEIARBSC

Justin W
09 October 2011 11:18:36

Oh no, they've got to you too, Justin

 

 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

 

LOL! I'm should say that I'm completely dispassionate about this and my gut feeling has always been that this winter will be on the mild side. That's why I hesistated posting this so early. What a laugh, eh? 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin P
09 October 2011 11:44:14

Is it the warm/dry October whats done it?


Rural West Northants 120m asl

Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids

Essan
09 October 2011 12:33:52

 my gut feeling has always been that this winter will be on the mild side.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Sod's Law says it has to be


Andy

Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl

Weather & Earth Science News 

Look in the doubt we've wallowed, look at the leaders we've followed, look at the lies we've swallowed, and I don't want to hear no more

beng
  • beng
  • Advanced Member
09 October 2011 13:16:19

 

Probability for temperature anomalies in central England for winter 2011/12

Above average: 34%

Below average: 66%

 

Monthly probabilities of temperature anomalies (deviation from long-term average)

Dec: Below average - 62%

Jan: Below average - 69%

Feb: Below average - 67% 

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Crickey! If I remember right, your forecast is based on statistical relationships between monthly CET values leading up to the winter months? 

I think it's worth watching the developing la nina as it looks like it could be moderate rather than weak - based on the latest sub surface anomalies anyway.

 

 

 


Reigate, home of the North Downs

Justin W
09 October 2011 13:59:42

Crickey! If I remember right, your forecast is based on statistical relationships between monthly CET values leading up to the winter months? 

Originally Posted by: beng 

 

Yes, absolutely. Plus ENSO state (since 1901), North Atlantic SSTs and multiple indice solar output (since 1996).


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
hedgehog4
09 October 2011 14:07:06
The weather today here in Greater Manchester felt like a typical (mild) winter's day that we saw so many times 1994-2008.

Not a nice day.

Gavin D
09 October 2011 14:21:52

Met Office are saying on Twitter that no Snow is forecast at low levels for at least the next month and reports of -20c in just weeks are wrong, just the typical British media over doing things.

Someone asked this,

@metoffice I saw a headline yesterday suggesting -20 degree temps on the way; is this true?

@catakinja Not according to our forecasts, no sign of unusually cold temperatures

whatsoever.. Probably just the media...Thanks, ^JVS

And this was Asked

@metoffice is there going to be snow anytime soon?

@homez78 Maybe over the Scottish mountains, but otherwise none forecast in the foreseeable future! Regards, ^JVS

So anyone expecting snow at low levels within at least the next month away from the Scottish mountains will be disappointed.

Gavin D
09 October 2011 14:54:27

Latest update from GP over at Netweather

It's interesting to note that the upward trend in AAM happend before the current MJO wave began to develop, possibly the two facets of the atmosphere-ocean dynamical process responding to the same lead ? We have had three strong +MT events now, all driving the GWO into a high angular momentum base state.

Not sure we can confidently count on AAM crashing anytime soon. October's GLAAM value should be unprecedented in the 53 yr time series in terms of going from a negative value in September through to a positive value in October.

Our closest analogue in this respect is 1995 with a disconnect between ENSO and the atmospheric circulation, which may well last until December. The QBO is also interesting. Lastest daily values actually have it weakening at 30 hPa (less easterly), with the lower stratospheric levels still showing a westerly wind.

All of which means that ENSO forecasts for the winter mean squat right now

http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/58354-in-depth-technical-model-discussion/page__view__findpost__p__2142275

09 October 2011 15:06:56

Met Office are saying on Twitter that no Snow is forecast at low levels for at least the next month and reports of -20c in just weeks are wrong, just the typical British media over doing things.

Someone asked this,

@metoffice I saw a headline yesterday suggesting -20 degree temps on the way; is this true?

@catakinja Not according to our forecasts, no sign of unusually cold temperatures

whatsoever.. Probably just the media...Thanks, ^JVS

And this was Asked

@metoffice is there going to be snow anytime soon?

@homez78 Maybe over the Scottish mountains, but otherwise none forecast in the foreseeable future! Regards, ^JVS

So anyone expecting snow at low levels within at least the next month away from the Scottish mountains will be disappointed.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

They also said 2009/10 was going to be a mild winter and also said summer 2009 would be a bbq summer. Did they ever predict the record heatwave, at the end of the last month? Do you take it for gospel?

It is October for goodness sake! Do we really need to take there word on it, too? I doubt we will get snow, only in Scotland, but it is not 100 percent.

Essan
09 October 2011 15:16:12

They also said 2009/10 was going to be a mild winter and also said summer 2009 would be a bbq summer. Did they ever predict the record heatwave, at the end of the last month? Do you take it for gospel?

Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure 

Do you ever look at what the MetO say, or do you just believe the media

The MetO have done pretty well in recent years.  Based on their actual forecasts and not media (mis)interpretation of them


Andy

Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl

Weather & Earth Science News 

Look in the doubt we've wallowed, look at the leaders we've followed, look at the lies we've swallowed, and I don't want to hear no more

Jay Lad
09 October 2011 15:18:00

The Met Office's short term forecasts are very accurate but their long term ones are notoriously rubbish, after all they don't publish their winter and summer outlook anymore because of this.

Essan
09 October 2011 15:18:36

Met Office are saying on Twitter that no Snow is forecast at low levels for at least the next month and reports of -20c in just weeks are wrong

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

ie Stating the obvious

Sad state of affairs when they have to say that something which won't happen won't happen .....


Andy

Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl

Weather & Earth Science News 

Look in the doubt we've wallowed, look at the leaders we've followed, look at the lies we've swallowed, and I don't want to hear no more

David M Porter
09 October 2011 15:45:34

They also said 2009/10 was going to be a mild winter and also said summer 2009 would be a bbq summer. Did they ever predict the record heatwave, at the end of the last month? Do you take it for gospel?

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Do you ever look at what the MetO say, or do you just believe the media

The MetO have done pretty well in recent years.  Based on their actual forecasts and not media (mis)interpretation of them

Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure 

One could put a number of weather events that were "supposed" to happen down to misinterpretation or misrepresentation of what the Met Office said, but not the "BBQ summer" episode. That phrase was used by at least one BBC forecaster during a TV forecast (think it was Darren Bett) in the spring of 2009, so in that case there was no way they could turn round and claim that what they said was taken out of context. The BBQ summer phrase was entirely the creation of the Met Office themselves, not The Sun or any other newspaper or media outlet.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

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