Sadly predictable that you should pop in to misrepresent what people are saying.  The real controversy centres around people like you still trying to deny climate change, despite the growing evidence.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

That's not what the study says. The reason that Europe is warming far faster than the rest of the world is not because of greenhouse gases but because of the cleaner air with less sulphur. This is allowing more sunlight as you say to get to the ground which creates higher temperatures, but it is also having an effect with regional weather patterns increasing the likelihood of higher pressure over the region. A reminder this was a Met office backed study.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

It wasn’t, Bert. How is ‘pop in’ a personal attack?  I’m puzzled by your interpretation.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

The Arctic is warming even faster than Europe. As well as warming from GHG, there are large albedo changes as the ice cap shrinks and sea water is exposed which is far less reflective to sunlight, This in turn reduces the temperature gradient between the Tropics and the Pole and leads to a shift and weakening of the Jet Stream which in turn has an effect on the day to day synoptics - in general a less volatile day to day variation

I think all 3 of these (GHG, reduced dimming and albedo change in the Arctic) are combining to lead to this pronounced temperature increase in Europe although I still believe AGW is the primary driver

Originally Posted by: lanky 

Glaciers were retreating significantly back in the 70s, with the attendant issues you mention. GHG, reduced dimming and albedo change. Back then Ecologists were  already considering the issue of AGW. Yet we still have the "wishful thinkers" and Climate Change deniers, in spite of the Earth's geological history of massive climate change without human intervention. Today we see more space junk is going to hit the moon! Space fly-tippers. It's mine - I can dump it where I choose. What a species!

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discovering-geology/maps-and-resources/climate-change-through-time/ 

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

The Arctic is warming even faster than Europe. As well as warming from GHG, there are large albedo changes as the ice cap shrinks and sea water is exposed which is far less reflective to sunlight, This in turn reduces the temperature gradient between the Tropics and the Pole and leads to a shift and weakening of the Jet Stream which in turn has an effect on the day to day synoptics - in general a less volatile day to day variation

I think all 3 of these (GHG, reduced dimming and albedo change in the Arctic) are combining to lead to this pronounced temperature increase in Europe although I still believe AGW is the primary driver

Originally Posted by: lanky 

More the catalyst for accelerated warming in Arctic and bordering countries,.

The Arctic's rapid warming—exceeding the global average by far—is a phenomenon known as Arctic amplification. This is driven by several interconnected processes:

Albedo feedback: As the climate warms and snow and ice melt, they reveal darker surfaces underneath, such as ocean water or bare ground, which absorb more solar energy. This accelerates the warming and leads to further melting—a classic feedback loop.

Convection differences: In the tropics, strong convection (warm air rising and mixing into the atmosphere) distributes heat vertically. But the Arctic experiences very little convection due to the weaker heat from the Sun, so the heat remains trapped near the surface.

Lapse rate feedback: In cold regions like the Arctic, the air near the ground warms much faster than the air higher in the atmosphere, trapping heat near the surface, and further accelerating the warming.

Water vapour transport: Atmospheric circulation patterns move warm, moist air from the tropics towards the poles. Since a warmer atmosphere can hold more moisture, the amount of water vapour transported to the poles is expected to increase with climate change, further intensifying Arctic warming.

Originally Posted by: bledur 

And i also posted about a study done in part with the met office regarding this. It's linked with the cleaner air since.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

I watched an interview with John Hammond the other day and he confirmed this also. 

It would seem that global warming isn't down to emisions, but the ridding of them. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

The Arctic is warming even faster than Europe. As well as warming from GHG, there are large albedo changes as the ice cap shrinks and sea water is exposed which is far less reflective to sunlight, This in turn reduces the temperature gradient between the Tropics and the Pole and leads to a shift and weakening of the Jet Stream which in turn has an effect on the day to day synoptics - in general a less volatile day to day variation

I think all 3 of these (GHG, reduced dimming and albedo change in the Arctic) are combining to lead to this pronounced temperature increase in Europe although I still believe AGW is the primary driver

Originally Posted by: lanky 

Every part of the world seems to be 'warming faster' than that rest, or so we are told. Sloganeering over sound facts seems to be a thing in the climate debate. 

Back in the winter of 2013/2014, the global average fell to 'near normal', and the jet stream became amplified across the Atlantic, causing storm after storm, yet, we were told this was down to climate change. Similar winter jet stream profiles, and even more robust ones, in the 70s, 80s, 90s, however, did not seem to be. To me, there seems to be curious effort to attribute every single weather event to 'climate change' over the last 15/20 years. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Every part of the world seems to be 'warming faster' than that rest, or so we are told. Sloganeering over sound facts seems to be a thing in the climate debate. 

Back in the winter of 2013/2014, the global average fell to 'near normal', and the jet stream became amplified across the Atlantic, causing storm after storm, yet, we were told this was down to climate change. Similar winter jet stream profiles, and even more robust ones, in the 70s, 80s, 90s, however, did not seem to be. To me, there seems to be curious effort to attribute every single weather event to 'climate change' over the last 15/20 years. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

It's not too hard to find regional representations of overall global temperature change such as this one from GISTEMP showing the enhanced warming in Europe and Arctic regions of Asia and N America but much less in many parts of the S Hemisphere

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ 

I agree that the detailed effects of this climatic shift on day to day weather in different parts of the world are not yer fully quantified. In your example of 2013/4 I have read it postulated that the increased temperature in the Arctic lead to a weakening of the polar circulation in Winter which in turn lead to a very cold outbreak in the NE USA that winter. The huge temperature gradient there lead to the spawning of very active depressions which moved across the Atlantic to the UK. Such are the complex interdependencies.

The whole concept of Global Warming from CO2 emissions (and water vapour) was postulated by Svante Arrhenius in the 19th century long before any direct evidence was detected

Originally Posted by: lanky 

Fair point, but this in itself could be just down to natural temperature displacements which can and do occur thoughout history across the N. Hemisphere. 

I can't find 2m temp anomalies from this particular RA dataset, but if we look at just December 2013 (as a monthly whole) in isolation compared to what I think is a similar December back in 1929, it is clear that the temp profile is broadly similar. If anything, the displaced warmth across 'our side' of the Arctic was more enhanced back in 1929. Looking back on historic maps like this makes me ponder if every weather pattern today can be put down simply to 'climate change'. How does one isolate the climate change factor? Clearly, higher summer temps in HP set ups in the summer (and winter) can undeniably be pin pointed as proof that something is amiss. 

December 1929 850 T anom and mean pressure pattern:

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December 2013 850 T anom and mean pressure pattern:

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Every part of the world seems to be 'warming faster' than that rest, or so we are told. Sloganeering over sound facts seems to be a thing in the climate debate. 

Back in the winter of 2013/2014, the global average fell to 'near normal', and the jet stream became amplified across the Atlantic, causing storm after storm, yet, we were told this was down to climate change. Similar winter jet stream profiles, and even more robust ones, in the 70s, 80s, 90s, however, did not seem to be. To me, there seems to be curious effort to attribute every single weather event to 'climate change' over the last 15/20 years. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea