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jhall
19 January 2026 19:37:49

Is that correct without exception? 

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Well heat being conducted up from the ground underneath lying snow can complicate things, I suppose. Snow that's in contact with a warm surface is I suppose going to start to melt from the bottom up.


Cranleigh, Surrey
western100
19 January 2026 19:56:21
Thought I'd check in with what the fuss is all about

2 pages on the thread on the 12z's is it Dec 2010 again?

GFS12z is another level if you love a very cold spell. I mean come on.....not sure I've seen a colder ensemble for years? And approaching relative reliability but in these synoptics, until its 3 days away its risky to call 

Only GEM is against the trend but its been on its own a lot, that'll come in line surely soon, or is it a trend setter?

Nice LP over France, keeping the flow nice and easterly 


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Arbroath 1320
19 January 2026 19:58:40
With the exception of GEM, there's a bit of consistency from the models tonight in their predictions for the weekend and beyond.

I'm pretty sure there will be further twists and turns in the MO though, before then. All you can say this far out, is that it will become generally colder as we head into the last week of January. How cold, and for how long, to be determined. 


Kenmore, Highland Perthshire, GGTTH
Snow Hoper
19 January 2026 20:25:08

Well heat being conducted up from the ground underneath lying snow can complicate things, I suppose. Snow that's in contact with a warm surface is I suppose going to start to melt from the bottom up.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

You also have sublimation.


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Quantum
19 January 2026 20:25:58

With the exception of GEM, there's a bit of consistency from the models tonight in their predictions for the weekend and beyond.

I'm pretty sure there will be further twists and turns in the MO though, before then. All you can say this far out, is that it will become generally colder as we head into the last week of January. How cold, and for how long, to be determined. 

Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 

KMA too, and I think KMA is a version of the metoffice model they use in South Korea.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Snow Hoper
19 January 2026 20:27:04
Seems to me that the GEFS' and trended colder by quite a margin for here. 
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jhall
19 January 2026 21:09:33

You also have sublimation.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

True, and the snow gradually compacting over time as the air is squeezed out of it.


Cranleigh, Surrey
jhall
19 January 2026 21:16:14
If what the ECM Op shows in FI was to come off, there could be quite a blizzard across the Midlands and south. Unlikely of course, but one can dream.

The ECM ensemble has trended cooler, though still not as cold as the GEFS.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Brian Gaze
19 January 2026 21:25:17
Lots of uncertainty now.

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Hippydave
19 January 2026 21:49:51

Lots of uncertainty now.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Is something odd going on with those or is it me?

When I look at the main run it has -6/-7 over London at T162, the ens set doesn't:-

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On the ECM op front re Jhall's comment - I thought the op looked really interesting but actually it's much more bland than the charts suggest IMO. The first 2 LPs bring nothing really bar some cold rain although deeper in FI there is snow for the far south and it is generally cold at the surface from 26th onwards to the end of the run. 


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fairweather
19 January 2026 21:53:25
12z GFS ensemble (London) mean lower, highest snow row so far (128) but I still can't get past that January 26th timebomb of uncertainty. ECM 12z also has slight drop in mean but uncertainty as above. 
S.Essex, 42m ASL
Snow Hoper
19 January 2026 21:54:08

Is something odd going on with those or is it me?

When I look at the main run it has -6/-7 over London at T162, the ens set doesn't:-

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On the ECM op front re Jhall's comment - I thought the op looked really interesting but actually it's much more bland than the charts suggest IMO. The first 2 LPs bring nothing really bar some cold rain although deeper in FI there is snow for the far south and it is generally cold at the surface from 26th onwards to the end of the run. 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

I think they are the ECM AI ens not your normal set.


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Snow Hoper
19 January 2026 21:56:17

I think they are the ECM AI ens not your normal set.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

My location 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?model=ecm&lid=ENS&var=2&bw=1&geoid=50625 


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Hippydave
19 January 2026 21:59:45

I think they are the ECM AI ens not your normal set.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

Yeah I know - Brian put the AIFS ens up, the chart I linked is the AIFS control I believe but the ens plot isn't anything like the run. 


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Snow Hoper
19 January 2026 22:04:44

Yeah I know - Brian put the AIFS ens up, the chart I linked is the AIFS control I believe but the ens plot isn't anything like the run. 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

That'll teach me to assume and not check the chart you posted. Definitely something amiss as you say. 


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aceandy79
19 January 2026 22:31:27

True, and the snow gradually compacting over time as the air is squeezed out of it.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

Oh what I wouldn't give, to be able to worry about either of those things! 😀


Andy

Hedge End, Hampshire, 26m asl

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19 January 2026 22:32:05
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Brian Gaze
19 January 2026 22:38:02

Is something odd going on with those or is it me?

When I look at the main run it has -6/-7 over London at T162, the ens set doesn't:-

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On the ECM op front re Jhall's comment - I thought the op looked really interesting but actually it's much more bland than the charts suggest IMO. The first 2 LPs bring nothing really bar some cold rain although deeper in FI there is snow for the far south and it is generally cold at the surface from 26th onwards to the end of the run. 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

The ENS isn't plotting the AIFS operational.


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Rob K
19 January 2026 22:52:44
Looking at the 18Z GFS rolling out and while it looks like collapsing before the south can join in the fun, I don’t think I have ever seen such large areas of dark blues and purples on the 850mb Europe chart as there is around the 192-240hr mark. Impressive amounts of cold air around. 
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squish
19 January 2026 23:03:25
I think the south get's a fair bit of the action on the 18z … and the cold block holds pretty firm to my eye 


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Rob K
19 January 2026 23:30:57

I think the south get's a fair bit of the action on the 18z … and the cold block holds pretty firm to my eye 

Originally Posted by: squish 

Yes it pulls a rabbit out of the hat and prolongs the cold past the end of the run. 

Looking at the top down (NH) view around T192 on GFS it is quite remarkable synoptics. 1055mb high centred right over the north pole and reverse zonality around basically the whole northern hemisphere. Can this really be right?


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BJBlake
20 January 2026 00:02:58

I think so, at elevation at least, although there may be a period of thaw with heavy rain before the colder air moves in. Our last snow piles are slowly shrinking. 

More generally the swinging to and fro in the details continue in the output but the now strong trend for an easterly is clear. Having said that things can and have gone “wrong” in the last at this timescale and I have noticed in the last few days the 00z output is more Atlantic biased and the 12z more Scandi-biased so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a “wobble” again of some sort in the morning.

It is certainly interesting viewing (apart from the two days of rain coming up here in NE Scotland). I will share your drizzle no doubt at times in the coming days and for variety it may be heavy drizzle at times and light drizzle at others.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

That’s a very interesting observation Doc, since you mention it - I am not surprised you think the  0z shows a more Atlantic influence and the 12 Z quite the opposite. That does seem to be the case in recent days. Do you have a theory why that might be? Which is likely to be correct? Would it be an average of both or is the 0z the one with the full data set? Therefore meaning the less favourable runs are likely to be correct. I hope it’s an average or indeed the 12z is the one with the fullest data- but fear (from bad experiences of old) that the former is correct! ?


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
fairweather
20 January 2026 00:27:56
The 12z ECMF illustrates perfectly why the mean isn't much use on its own. There are less perts around the mean than there are above and below it! The grouping seems to be trending slightly towards the colder end now.
S.Essex, 42m ASL
Retron
20 January 2026 06:59:08
Quiet on here this morning - but no surprise, considering it's the least-cold set of London GEFS since this chase started (just 7 out of 31, so less than 25% bringing -10 850s). The chasing a rainbow theme continues for us down here!
Leysdown, north Kent
doctormog
20 January 2026 07:04:02
Will the seesaw continue with colder output once again later in the day (12z runs)?

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