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Snow Hoper
30 December 2025 13:57:04

Maybe we're heading for the much touted "blended solution" whatever that might look like.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

Looking at the 06z ens, I'm beginning to think maybe a trough disruption with take place somewhere across the UK, with only the smallest of warm sectors crossing parts of the country,  More especially the further south and west you are.

Edit: this then leading to a shorter average temp period as the next colder push from the north occurs.


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tallyho_83
30 December 2025 14:34:10

Looking at the 06z ens, I'm beginning to think maybe a trough disruption with take place somewhere across the UK, with only the smallest of warm sectors crossing parts of the country,  More especially the further south and west you are.

Edit: this then leading to a shorter average temp period as the next colder push from the north occurs.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

It does look dry for many parts of the country that's all.

Prime example is 12z Saturday 3rd and 12z Sunday 4th shows precipitation only around coastal areas around the country as if it is avoiding the UK landmass. I guess Brexit means brexit haha! - is the gfs not good and picking up troughs/low pressures in northerlies?

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BJBlake
30 December 2025 15:15:36
12z snow charts for GFS

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Jiries
30 December 2025 15:35:01

It does look dry for many parts of the country that's all.

Prime example is 12z Saturday 3rd and 12z Sunday 4th shows precipitation only around coastal areas around the country as if it is avoiding the UK landmass. I guess Brexit means brexit haha! - is the gfs not good and picking up troughs/low pressures in northerlies?

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Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Those charts are extremely stupid and need to scrapped as no way to be so dry under very unstable flow with LP right next to us.  Very dry applies to strong HP atop which not this case most are far west away from here.  I am expecting snowfalls at times for most places. 

Retron
30 December 2025 16:29:43
The trend set in motion for the past few runs continues apace in this evening's output so far - ICON clears the cold away during Tuesday, MetO has a strong Atlantic flow on Monday:

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/59/14612/UW144_7vut6.GIF 

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...and the GFS, well, the GFS sums up our winter in a nutshell!

Here's 186, where the warmest places in the whole of Europe are a) a small bit of Greece, b) Malta, c) a bit of coastal Sicily and d) the English Midlands.

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/74/7556/gfs_9_186yvb7.png 

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I still think the best advice for those down here at least is to make the most of the next few days. 


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Brian Gaze
30 December 2025 16:50:34
I've moved a number of posts to the breakout thread. I have previously warned that obvious "trigger" posts will not be allowed.
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doctormog
30 December 2025 16:55:28
The only thing we can say for certain is that it is about to get very cold for a few days with snow in some places. How much and where as ever remains to be determined. Beyond that at a glance things look like turning less cold for a while at least. That could be mild and westerly for the rest of the winter or it could be a brief interlude before the next cold, or even the cold not letting up at all. 

The GFS 12z op run goes for something close to the middle of the three options but with things changing in the medium to longer term with each run I think I will stick to the cross model ensemble approach beyond day 5 or so rather than any hyperbolic melodramatic insinuations of winter being over.

I’ve seen a few winters where we get a rinse and repeat northerly pattern, that may be what the GFS is starting to hint at: 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_294_1.pn 

I wouldn’t like to call the weather for +150 hr never mind at that range though so it’s just a thought rather than a probability (albeit the second op run in a row to show that).


David M Porter
30 December 2025 17:06:14
What I will say is that I have seen far worse runs that the GFS 12z op and the 00z and 06z from this morning from the point of view of cold seekers. Even if recent GFS runs and those from others models are proved right about next week turning milder, I think it would take a very brave person to say with any degree of confidence that we will see no further cold spells during the remainder of January.

Back in early December, I can recall someone saying that in their view it was game over for cold before the end of December, and given the poor model output generally at the time one might have been tempted to agree. However, those of us who have been following the models for a while (20 years in my case) will know how fickle the models can sometimes be during certain set-ups. I believe the current situation may well be an instance of this.


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ballamar
30 December 2025 17:49:01
GFS shows a bit of a repeating pattern which would mean a short mild spell. Could be a rogue signal in the output. Zonal winds do look like potentially weakening after the first week of Jan, we could get a second cold spell.
fairweather
30 December 2025 18:04:54
Looking at the minimum temps on the ensembles for the coming week it does look like we could get quite a few much needed frosts down here. There have been 3 so far this winter and just 1 in December.
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Jiries
30 December 2025 18:05:28
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=48656&model=gfs&var=201&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Perfect timing for me as I am off work from tomorrow and return on Wed 7th which will return to less cold to average temps.  Very much mild outlier in FI so nothing to worry about as now I will able to see the cold and some snowfalls while I am off.   

Hippydave
30 December 2025 18:23:42
Some continued cautious signs of optimism in deepish FI from GFS op, with a suggestion weak blocking around Greenland coupled with a not rampaging Atlantic could bring cold back to many. 

UKMO at T168 isn't the worst looking breakdown chart for the Northern half of the country although angle and intensity of the next LP would obviously be important. 

Before the breakdown, assuming as looks favoured we get one, 5-7 days of cold weather with significant snowfall for parts of Scotland and maybe some decent falls for other prone spots. For the rest of us, sparkling sunshine, frosty nights and chasing developing features to see if we might see some flakes.

I tend to not really pay much attention to them but the AI models are more routinely unsettled post breakdown. I do struggle with them as a concept - no reason it'll be wrong but I can't see how if they've learned by going for the most common solution, they won't occasionally get things completely wrong. Presumably some much cleverer bods than me disagree though. 


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Snow Hoper
30 December 2025 18:44:35
That ECM 192hrs chart is interesting. Question is, would it be cold enough?
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Ally Pally Snowman
30 December 2025 18:49:35

That ECM 192hrs chart is interesting. Question is, would it be cold enough?

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

It's definitely cold enough, nice snow event for most. A decent ECM 12z. A bit of hope to cling to


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Bertwhistle
30 December 2025 18:50:05
Still based on the GEFS 6z mean admittedly- awaiting the graph for the 12z- but to see maybe 5-6 days of 850s below -5°C with perhaps 2 days of -10°C as the mean in London, is not a bad outcome considering the close timescale we're talking about; a few days ago the suggestion of more than a couple of days at mean -5 for the same period was questioned- an upgrade closer to the fact. 

Some dry air, and cold nights maybe underplayed by models when winds fall light? Great winter weather


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Hippydave
30 December 2025 19:03:46

That ECM 192hrs chart is interesting. Question is, would it be cold enough?

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

The T216 looks intriguing for some too:-

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Some definite twists and turns so far in the (possible/probable/definite as you wish) breakdown, I'd be surprised if there's not more to come including some much less interesting versions too.

I wonder if the respective ens suites will have a decent number of colder members in the mid to longer term or if the ops are a bit isolated? This mornings set suggest the former!

 


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Snow Hoper
30 December 2025 19:06:22

The T216 looks intriguing for some too:-

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Some definite twists and turns so far in the (possible/probable/definite as you wish) breakdown, I'd be surprised if there's not more to come including some much less interesting versions too.

I wonder if the respective ens suites will have a decent number of colder members in the mid to longer term or if the ops are a bit isolated? This mornings set suggest the former!

 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

Could that be seen as trough disruption? By 240hrs the cold looks to be back in.


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Hippydave
30 December 2025 19:19:17

Could that be seen as trough disruption? By 240hrs the cold looks to be back in.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

Don't think they're disrupting but the energy does I think go ESE or SE, which helps keep us on the cooler side (well some of us anyway). 

I'd guess the HP to our SW will put a stop the fun post T240 and things will take a more traditional approach, at least for a day or so. Will find out when the HR charts come out I guess. 


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Hippydave
30 December 2025 20:29:24
Well according to the ECM HR, the T216 low is a touch more interesting than the one a day or so earlier:

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All academic at that range but supports the theme. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
30 December 2025 20:56:40
Well the ECM 12z ensembles still believe.  Very good until the 12th . Would be a remarkable win for ECM  if it's near the money. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=ecm&var=2&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 


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jhall
30 December 2025 20:59:11
The 12Z ECM ensemble 850mb temperature diagram for London is interesting. Though the ensemble mean starts to slowly rise after the 5th, even by the end of the run on the 14th it's still a degree or two below the long-term average. Apart from a brief very mild spike on the 11th, the operational run's line is pretty similar to the mean. There are still a good number of genuinely cold ensemble members even by the 14th, though there are also plenty of mild ones, of course. My favourite ensemble member is P30, which is around or below -10C for most of the time from the 8th onwards.
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doctormog
30 December 2025 21:01:43

Well the ECM 12z ensembles still believe.  Very good until the 12th . Would be a remarkable win for ECM  if it's near the money. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=ecm&var=2&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I suspect this is overdoing it but it looks remarkably consistently cold in this neck of the woods:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/ens_image.php?geoid=50110&var=202&run=12&date=2025-12-30&model=ecm&member=ENS&bw=1 

I think the cold may not be as extensive or prolonged as the ECM (ensembles) or as transient as some of the other models, but either way it’s a really interesting period of model watching.


Brian Gaze
30 December 2025 21:20:56
A longer cold period is still in play. You may need to open the stamps in a new window to make them readable. They're the ECM IFS 50 for 10 January.

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Rob K
30 December 2025 22:32:01
I’m not sure what happened to the notion of “strongest block for 45 years” which I’m sure someone here quoted.  That seems a bit of a bad joke now! Models just melting it away like nothing. 
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David M Porter
30 December 2025 22:37:31

I’m not sure what happened to the notion of “strongest block for 45 years” which I’m sure someone here quoted.  That seems a bit of a bad joke now! Models just melting it away like nothing. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Part of me is wondering if the models are perhaps being a bit too quick in collapsing the block. I'm not saying they are as we don't know for sure yet how this will play out. However, if they are it wouldn't be the first time in the years I have followed the model output that they have underestimated the strength of a HP block. We shall see.


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