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Brian Gaze
30 December 2025 12:03:02
Detailed site traffic statistics show a clear pattern when a cold spell is approaching during the winter months:

1. Traffic increases as people start to pay more attention.

2. Traffic reaches a first peak.

3. The models begin to show a shorter cold spell, and traffic starts to dip.

4. The cold spell arrives and, if snow is in the forecast, traffic increases again to reach a second brief peak.

I think there are two distinct aspects to this. Firstly, for many people the anticipation of a long cold spell is what excites them. As soon as the models start to show the end of the cold spell firming up, even though it hasn’t yet started, traffic begins to wane. That is where we are today.

The second peak is like a sugar rush: it arrives and departs very quickly. People get an initial thrill from the snow, but then, for many (aside from the hard-core), the enthusiasm starts to fade.


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Chichesterweatherfan2
30 December 2025 12:10:25
This sounds very plausible and something I very much identify with…the other aspect is the scope for conflict/ fall outs/ spats increases markedly when a cold spell is forecast and then ends in crushing disappointment especially for those of us on the south coast! 
doctormog
30 December 2025 12:16:26
The fall off for me comes when/if the cold spell materialises and I get to go out and enjoy it. 😀
Ally Pally Snowman
30 December 2025 12:25:01
There's also the denial stage when the models drop or curtail the cold spell. And people can't bring themselves to believe it. See Netweather. 
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30 December 2025 12:31:05
The next stage is to break down the number of peak posts by length of membership of TWO.

Longterm members such as myself have become cynical and get less excited.


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westv
30 December 2025 12:49:24

The next stage is to break down the number of peak posts by length of membership of TWO.

Longterm members such as myself have become cynical and get less excited.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Very much like England at football.


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TheJudge
30 December 2025 13:29:46
I’d be interested to know how the ups and downs of model watching  affect people’s mental health?  Especially the winter snow and ice aspect. 

Does it affect your day when there is a downgrade after lots of promise? 

Does it lift your day when there is prospects of a cold wintry spell? 

Superstitions, do people have them? Such as the polar bears on the homepage and it killing the prospect of a cold spell? 

I know when it comes to a cold or wintry spell with model watching I avoid telling anyone about the prospects as so often it’s a let down or never materialises.  


Barby 551 ft above sea level
Saint Snow
30 December 2025 13:47:55

I’d be interested to know how the ups and downs of model watching  affect people’s mental health?  Especially the winter snow and ice aspect. 

Does it affect your day when there is a downgrade after lots of promise? 

Does it lift your day when there is prospects of a cold wintry spell? 

Superstitions, do people have them? Such as the polar bears on the homepage and it killing the prospect of a cold spell? 

I know when it comes to a cold or wintry spell with model watching I avoid telling anyone about the prospects as so often it’s a let down or never materialises.  

Originally Posted by: TheJudge 

1) I get a bit down every December when it becomes clear we're not getting another 2009 or 2010. I've got such clear memories of those, with the child-like excitement each gave me. I'm almost 54 and know I've less Xmases left than I've already had, so each December with sh*te weather* and I get a little more desperate. My eldest was born in 2003 so remembers 09 and 10 pretty well; my youngest was born three and half years on so can't remember at all, which is a huge shame as she loves the snow.

2) More generally, I also yearn for a proper cataclysmic snowfall event - I'm talking unprecedented depths from falls lasting days. I love the whole drama of it all and knowing I have to battle some adversity. Again, I can't shake the sense that I'm running out of winters.

3) In the early days of TWO, I got a [deserved] reputation with friends and family for calling cold and snowy spells that didn't happen. So I only go for it nopw when I'm almost 100%. Problem is, they've already heard it from various sources already and asume I'm just jumping on the bandwagon.

* yes, I know shi*te weather in december in the norm


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moomin75
30 December 2025 13:52:19

Detailed site traffic statistics show a clear pattern when a cold spell is approaching during the winter months:

1. Traffic increases as people start to pay more attention.

2. Traffic reaches a first peak.

3. The models begin to show a shorter cold spell, and traffic starts to dip.

4. The cold spell arrives and, if snow is in the forecast, traffic increases again to reach a second brief peak.

I think there are two distinct aspects to this. Firstly, for many people the anticipation of a long cold spell is what excites them. As soon as the models start to show the end of the cold spell firming up, even though it hasn’t yet started, traffic begins to wane. That is where we are today.

The second peak is like a sugar rush: it arrives and departs very quickly. People get an initial thrill from the snow, but then, for many (aside from the hard-core), the enthusiasm starts to fade.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Not much to add from me Brian, except "keep the polar bears off the Home Page" 😅😅😅


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lanky
30 December 2025 14:20:46
This sounds like the 6 stages of an IT project we used to joke about when I was in that field

    Enthusiasm

    Disillusionment

    Panic and hysteria

    Search for the guilty

    Punishment of the innocent

    Praise and honour for the non-participants


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

Tim A
30 December 2025 18:10:12
The psychology is very interesting. 

A quote said today elsewhere but on many occasions previously too is something  along the lines of "2 days ago it was looking like a week long cold spell  at least , now it's 3 days"

There is sometimes an assumption that if the start of a cold spell is 96 hours away then the whole spell is locked down. But the conclusion that day 7 of the cold spell is nailed down, 268 hours away (96 plus 168) , made on a cherry picked chart is going to lead to disappointment . It can and will only go downhill from that point .

We do see what we want to see in the models. E.g I saw GFS snowfall for Friday here, but no other model really showed it this far NE. Now it's disappeared in line with the other models, but it was never a likely option , but disappointment all the same!  

Another example, Northerly charts  at range being described as stunning by people that live in Central Southern England.  I hate northerlies as 90% of the time they are dry inland, it does take something rare and special to deliver and just because the odd chart at extended range shows precip coming far inland , in reality not all charts showed this and we know from experience it is unlikely. 


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

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Retron
30 December 2025 18:13:39

I’d be interested to know how the ups and downs of model watching  affect people’s mental health?  Especially the winter snow and ice aspect. 

Does it affect your day when there is a downgrade after lots of promise? 

Does it lift your day when there is prospects of a cold wintry spell? 

Superstitions, do people have them? Such as the polar bears on the homepage and it killing the prospect of a cold spell? 

I know when it comes to a cold or wintry spell with model watching I avoid telling anyone about the prospects as so often it’s a let down or never materialises.  

Originally Posted by: TheJudge 

I used to be far more involved with it all back in the day - back in the 90s just having access to the MRF etc was magical, plus I was only a youngster - full of optimism and hope, and of course when I first went online (in 1995 at school, 1996 at home) we still had classic cold, snowy spells. Back then I didn't dream that the relatively frequent snow I'd known all my life would soon disappear! 

It used to dismay me when, in following years, charts didn't come off, but by 2005 or so it was obvious that something had changed and the models despite showing snowy nirvana most years didn't come to fruition. 20 years later and with the memory of the 80s and 90s still seared in my brain I've come to expect nothing. Expect nothing much and you won't be disappointed!

The one thing that does still excite me is the chance of snow at Christmas, as I'd dearly love to see a proper White Christmas IMBY before I die (I'm 46, the average age of my parents' death is 57, so goodness knows how many more chances I'll get - the last one was before I was born, in 1970). This year was a cruel tease, but at least I saved the GFS runs which showed an inch of snow here on Christmas afternoon. 


Leysdown, north Kent
Chunky Pea
31 December 2025 07:32:09
I used to get excited with model watching but that has waned significantly over the last few years. Snow really is of no interest to me these days, though it is still nice to see it falling when it comes. Still will look at the models pretty much everyday, summer or winter, though more to see how patterns evolve and have an idea of what weather is to come. I rarely, if ever, refer to TV forecasts or 'official' weather forecasts on the Met Eireann page, simply because I don't need to anymore. 
Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

TheJudge
31 December 2025 07:44:23
I’d be also be interested what age is the youngest poster on the site is?, it does make you wonder if weather model watching will eventually die. Whenever I’ve mentioned weather models to the younger generation they look at me like I am talking in a different language.

With phones now having apps that many younger people rely on, sometimes including myself to see trends 10 days ahead. I believe sites like this will fade away to a distant memeory which is sad.

Just for the record I’m 54, have been interested in the weather since my grandad made me a weather map about the age of 6, made of cardboard he drew the map of the uk and cut me out symbols to stick on the map like the old BBC weather forecasts.


Barby 551 ft above sea level
Tim A
31 December 2025 08:18:13

I’d be also be interested what age is the youngest poster on the site is?, it does make you wonder if weather model watching will eventually die. Whenever I’ve mentioned weather models to the younger generation they look at me like I am talking in a different language.

With phones now having apps that many younger people rely on, sometimes including myself to see trends 10 days ahead. I believe sites like this will fade away to a distant memeory which is sad.

Just for the record I’m 54, have been interested in the weather since my grandad made me a weather map about the age of 6, made of cardboard he drew the map of the uk and cut me out symbols to stick on the map like the old BBC weather forecasts.

Originally Posted by: TheJudge 

Not sure the average young person would have ever engaged in chats about weather models. I wouldn't have dreamed of talking about them to my friends at school in the late 90's/early 2000s. 

Is true though we rely on the easier options now though,  particularly apps and the ancillary model charts such as snow depth and temp charts rather than interpreting a standard  500hpa pressure map.  

Think if young people don't use this forum, it's more of a shift away from forums to social media. 


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

 My PWS 

James T
31 December 2025 08:36:30
I think I must have been about 13-14 when I joined the forum all those years ago, not long after the turn of the century! I had a few friends who would have found noteworthy weather interesting, but probably weren't timing their slot online to see the 12z! 

I noticed a few young lads reviewing charts come up on YouTube in the last few days.

fairweather
31 December 2025 22:24:38

There's also the denial stage when the models drop or curtail the cold spell. And people can't bring themselves to believe it. See Netweather. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

😂


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Bolty
31 December 2025 23:56:26

There's also the denial stage when the models drop or curtail the cold spell. And people can't bring themselves to believe it. See Netweather. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

The NW model thread turns into a lunatic asylum when there is a cold spell on the way. Understandably, people will get excited at the prospect of cold and snow, but many of them seem to lose objectivity and run away into dream land about it being one of the worst cold spells for some time. Then the toys inevitably get thrown out the plan when the models start to water it down or move away from it completely.

I've model watched since I was 16, and I'd say I've got enough experience to know how these things evolve nowadays. Either way, "watering down" is a certain part of the package.


Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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