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doctormog
21 December 2025 21:25:24
So, in summary (as the other lists were moved) the t2m ensemble data from both the 12z ECM and 12z GEFS data sets indicate a prolonged colder than average period after the next few days.
Brian Gaze
21 December 2025 21:29:33
There are the 12Z GEFS, AIFS and IFS ensembles for London. I've also included the IFS precipitation / precipitation type graph. 

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Brian Gaze

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doctormog
21 December 2025 21:35:17
Given  the anticyclonic dominance, posting the t2m data would be more useful surely?

For example, this gives a clear overview of the temperature trend in the 15 day period. (London 12z ECMWF ensemble data).

https://charts.ecmwf.int/streaming/20251221-2140/34/render-worker-commands-c479f5985-sfbxl-6fe5cac1a363ec1525f54343b6cc9fd8-eain46h1.png 

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Chunky Pea
21 December 2025 22:33:43
Latest EC not availaibe on this site yet, but here is the ECM AI Vs the GEFS for day 10 to 15 (temp anoms)

GEFS:

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Differences between both, but there is a trend at least for a significant Euro cool down, with the AI model showing an encouraging trend for a more traditional cold pattern over the NE of Europe, which may have consequence down the line (if the high stays to the north!)


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

westv
21 December 2025 22:36:45

So, in summary (as the other lists were moved) the t2m ensemble data from both the 12z ECM and 12z GEFS data sets indicate a prolonged colder than average period after the next few days.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Tonight's national and local forecasts on the BBC seem to indicate temperatures close to average.


At least it will be mild!
doctormog
21 December 2025 22:45:49

Tonight's national and local forecasts on the BBC seem to indicate temperatures close to average.

Originally Posted by: westv 

Yes I suspect it will, based on most output, be just a little below average after the next few days. Something that we have yet to see this winter. Nothing too extreme and generally quite settled compared with the start of winter. Colder options are available and the medium to longer term trends are worth watching.


Brian Gaze
21 December 2025 22:54:02
GFS 18Z looks like a decent upgrade.

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BJBlake
21 December 2025 23:01:08

GFS 18Z looks like a decent upgrade.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Yes - the Control is also a thing of beauty! www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSC00EU12_6_2.png

if only this were to verify! I hope it doesn’t just downgrade via a thousand cuts like the Xmas snow event - that seemed so nailed on for so long, but I am enjoying the eye candy! 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
BJBlake
21 December 2025 23:04:51
This is the link I tried to post - showing an active trough on the east side - that just must be a snow event - possible thunder snow cold front! 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&run=12&time=276&lid=C00&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
White Meadows
21 December 2025 23:10:59

This is the link I tried to post - showing an active trough on the east side - that just must be a snow event - possible thunder snow cold front! 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&run=12&time=276&lid=C00&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

No, it’s not. 

nowhere near active enough. 

BJBlake
21 December 2025 23:12:01
Would you have thought the -10 uppers would reach UK shores from this chart?????  https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&run=12&time=330&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref

But no: it’s as if there is a force field preventing them getting on shore. It is probably just GW and the high SSTs, but this seems  very odd that we remain in -5 territory despite the cold air upwind being abundant!


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
BJBlake
21 December 2025 23:14:07
Downpour
21 December 2025 23:18:17

Yes I suspect it will, based on most output, be just a little below average after the next few days. Something that we have yet to see this winter. Nothing too extreme and generally quite settled compared with the start of winter. Colder options are available and the medium to longer term trends are worth watching.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

A pattern change pretty bang on the change in seasons. 

I’m sure most will enjoy a drier, chillier picture as winter begins.

https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/learn-about/weather/seasons/winter/when-does-winter-start 


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BJBlake
21 December 2025 23:32:46

No, it’s not. 

nowhere near active enough. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Ok -  can you tell that from this chart? It’s quite a pronounced kink in the isobars.


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
Chunky Pea
22 December 2025 00:20:57

No, it’s not. 

nowhere near active enough. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Would beg to differ. The chart posted by BBlake shows a very cold air mass moving down over warm waters. That potentially could trigger both snow and thunder. The pattern itself does not need to 'look' that active. 

Interesting fact about thunder snow. It is very often heard only over a relatively small area as the falling snow can absorb and dampen the sound greatly. So if thunder is heard during a snow squall, it is very likely that the lightning strke was very close by. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Gandalf The White
22 December 2025 00:48:46

Tonight's national and local forecasts on the BBC seem to indicate temperatures close to average.

Originally Posted by: westv 

The forecasts I saw said colder by Xmas Eve and several degrees below average for Xmas Day and Boxing Day in the East/South East.  That is in line with the model output.


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fairweather
22 December 2025 01:49:54
I think the last decade has left us with seeing "below average" or "quite chilly" or "3 day cold snap" as almost what we are looking for because experience has told us that is the best we are likely to end up with. But that doesn't really cut the mustard for coldies! 😉
S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
22 December 2025 02:03:00
Once again even well placed high pressures seem to be gloomy ones. Ensembles not showing much in the way of sub zero minima in the coming couple of weeks - one of the most notable lacking features of recent winters.
S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
22 December 2025 02:13:50
still a few GEFS members not giving up the ghost for a white xmas in the south, but as Q says, the channel Islands is probably the place to be. 

Lets see if the morning brings a miracle and reduced data over weekend is a real thing or myth


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Retron
22 December 2025 06:43:07
It looks like the question of the Cold Pool of Great Joy has been solved this morning - France will be the lucky recipients of a White Christmas. It's a shame, but it's within the envelope of predictions. GEFS was as high as 55% a couple of days ago wrt Christmas snow here, but now it's zero. I don't expect that to change.

So, what happens next? ECM-46 is still rock-solid on a prolonged colder than average spell, peaking over the New Year week but lingering well beyond - indeed, there's blue throughout down here, and even on week 4 - the least cold of the weeks - there's blue shading over southern and western parts.

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202512210000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202601050000 

Note that there are a few options with the cold - it could be the mean of a -9 and +3 anomaly, say, or it could be the mean of a -4 to -2 anomaly - we can't see that detail, annoyingly.

It does look like there'll be a relatively benign spell once the easterly waft clears away, with the potential (just potential) for some really cold temperatures, especially "up north", should skies stay clear under the ridge. 

After that is when it gets interesting, which tallies with that New Year week forecast from the ECM-46. It's not very exciting down here to be frank, but if I were further north I'd be keeping a keen eye on developments, as the potential is there for a snowy spell... and this time it wouldn't go over France, either. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
22 December 2025 07:08:04
Another poor ECM Op that's 2 in a row no Greenland HP. AIFS Op is better but not exactly spectacular.  But its ensembles are the coldest yet which is interesting.  But as ever it's like pulling teeth trying to get proper cold here. 
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Retron
22 December 2025 07:09:08
As the chart is running out of space - this will be the last ensemble watch for now. It's been a fun exercise and there remains, at least according to GFS, roughly a 1-in-3 chance of deep cold reaching London in the New Year period. We'll see if it happens! 😁

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch5.jpg 

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Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
22 December 2025 07:22:13

As the chart is running out of space - this will be the last ensemble watch for now. It's been a fun exercise and there remains, at least according to GFS, roughly a 1-in-3 chance of deep cold reaching London in the New Year period. We'll see if it happens! 😁

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch5.jpg 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

I'd say a 30% chance is actually a fairly good guide atm. 

Can we keep the northern blocking going through January as the ECM 46 suggests? Is the ECM 46 to be trusted? Not normally no, but as ever we live in hope.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
22 December 2025 07:28:06

I'd say a 30% chance is actually a fairly good guide atm. 

Can we keep the northern blocking going through January as the ECM 46 suggests? Is the ECM 46 to be trusted? Not normally no, but as ever we live in hope.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

AIFS is pick of the bunch the morning. Later on it shows our UK high potentially linking with an Artic high. This could have serious consequences into Jan for prolonged and severe cold. 

Rob K
22 December 2025 08:17:23
AIFS is the only glimmer of hope really. The signal for a Greenland high seems to have pretty much evaporated overnight to be replaced by the purples of doom…
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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