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CField
12 December 2025 01:10:04
Would be nice if a 1938 style event would verify. Think the drier interlude would be a bonus on its own after all this incessant zonal attack past month.Hopefully low pressure to Sw will keep azores at arms length...been a long time since Kent Essex really took the brunt
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Famous channel low

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Hastings East Sussex

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Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius

Retron
12 December 2025 04:40:04
ECM-46 continues to show a marked pattern change towards normal or even colder than normal temperatures, the change taking effect on Christmas week.

Just look at these pressure anomalies!

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-mslp?base_time=202512110000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202512290000 

Drier than average across the whole of the UK too...

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-tp?base_time=202512110000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202512290000 

The op ECM last night had a Scandinavian High, an easterly with upper cold pool across the south and widespread snow on Christmas Day, especially in the north. If it were possible to "bank" a run, that would be the frontrunner so far!


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
12 December 2025 06:47:41
Nice AIFS  this morning,  significant blocking as early as day 9, by day 15 a proper cold spell looks imminent.  
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
12 December 2025 07:19:01
ECM also trying it's best to bring Christmas cheer, half decent output this morning. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
GroundhogDay
12 December 2025 07:30:22
Still trying to work out how to attach images, but 25 years of obsessive daily scans of GEFS 850s makes me feel that something *could* be brewing. 

We have a few members now going off script, which in my experience quite often means a change is incoming. 

Maybe a case of 'watch this space 👀'....


Based in the snow desert that is North Northants
Rob K
12 December 2025 07:40:22
Made the mistake of looking at the GFS op run first, which is unremittingly dire,  but the ensembles have a bit more interest. ECM looks a bit more seasonal at least. 
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Brian Gaze
12 December 2025 08:09:42
The consistency ends.

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DEW
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12 December 2025 08:11:14
FAX - low pressure near Iceland continuing to generate strong SW-lies and push fronts across Britain, the fronts mainly affecting the NW. On Tue 16th pressure rises over Britain and drops over Spain so setting up for a potential E-ly - but at the same time an even deeper depression south of Greenland 944mb.

GFS Op 0z - the potential E-ly at the end of the FAX runs comes to nothing as the Greenland LP moves slowly east and spins off a deep depression 955mb Fri 19th passing by the Hebrides with severe gales for most of Britain. Then back to the 'depression procession' with centres passing quickly close to N Scotland 970mb Sun 21st, 960mb Tue 23rd, 980mb Christmas Day. Something of a pressure rise Sun 28th 1030mb Denmark (but this feature keeps getting pushed into the future).

ECM - differs from GFS after 19th as a ridge of high pressure appears from France to Iceland with only a weak trough to the west of Ireland, converting for to a pre-Christmas SE-ly (but not that cold) before the HP centre slides off to the SW.

GEM - introduces another variation with the LP on Fri 19th decaying over Britain, leaving a shallow depression in the Channel and N-lies appearing down the Norwegian coast.

AIFS - London, maxima around 10C until Sun 21st, then dropping off to 5C over Christmas, some rain w/b Wed 17th. Edinburgh, very mild (13C) Sunday, otherwise mostly around 8C, slightly cooler for Christmas, rain w/b Sun 14th, drier but still a bit damp later.

GEFS - postage stamp charts for Fri 19th predominantly going with the SW-ly theme, a few blocking the depression procession effectively (P5, P21),  others promoting it (P8, P29) but in any case little sign of the fabled easterly at this stage.  Line graphs, mean temps starting mild and drifting down to norm by Sun 28th, with usual spread of ens members (so there are half a dozen distinctly cold ens members  but the majority are still mild). Rain in the S around Fri 19th and perhaps after Christmas, in the N starting earlier Sun 14th) and petering out. Snow row figures for 27th Dec from 5 (inverness) to 3 (as far SE as Norwich) out of 33.

Cooler for Christmas, but hopes of a proper cold spell have - er - been put on ice


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Russwirral
12 December 2025 09:23:42
Good to see long term modelling of Pressure anomalies begin to filter down into the ECM this morning, with a shift in locked pattern we are in for the next 10 days.

Only one run, but has the potential to become quite cold 


The Beast from the East
12 December 2025 09:25:56

Good to see long term modelling of Pressure anomalies begin to filter down into the ECM this morning, with a shift in locked pattern we are in for the next 10 days.

Only one run, but has the potential to become quite cold 

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

We've been here so many times before though.  A mirage easterly at day 10.   Lets see if its still there tonight


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Matty H
12 December 2025 09:36:47

Every single source for United Utilities (covers all of NW England up to the Scottish border) are at higher levels than last year, with all above average except 'Pennine Sources', which are a tiny bit below average.

We've had a wetter than average Sept & Nov, and an average Oct.

That's enough to refill all the reservoirs, lakes and rivers.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

That’s correct, see below to address the ill-informed post on the other page

UK reservoir levels are generally healthy as of December 2025, with many areas seeing good recovery after a dry spring and summer, leading to hosepipe bans being lifted (e.g., Yorkshire at 91.6% full). However, concerns remain about long-term water security and dry soils in the Southeast, with reports urging sustained rainfall to avoid future droughts despite recent improvements.

As far as the models are concerned - still no sign of anything particularly cold, thankfully, and hopefully drying up a bit. We could do with a break from the relentless rainfall


Yate, Nr Bristol

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Saint Snow
12 December 2025 10:28:38
Today's AIGFS shaping to be nothing like yesterday, and at +276 is nowhere near as good.

Incidentally, the day the chart is valid for doesn't change - the time and date change, but the day always says 'Fri'

Edit - out to +342 and there's a slightly similar evolution in terms of high pressure near/over the UK - but a fair bit further south, so the air isn't as cold and it's just all a bit 'meh'


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Saint Snow
12 December 2025 10:36:11
The 6z [original] GFS is pants.

ECM and AIFS are the jewels today


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ballamar
12 December 2025 11:21:22
GFS op getting blocked late on, but deep in FI. Would say it is getting likely settling down and becoming drier from the last third of December. It will get colder and colder and fog and frost will become stubborn to clear. Perfect winter weather

GroundhogDay
12 December 2025 11:26:31
Would be nice to have a settled spell and it's *currently* looking the more likely solution. The latest GFS op run continues this trend.

I imagine there'll be a few divers in the next GEFS set. We've all seen how a winter high can migrate and become well orientated with time. Perhaps everything will fall into place by the last week in Dec. We can but hope....


Based in the snow desert that is North Northants
Ally Pally Snowman
12 December 2025 11:41:59
Another good AIFS. The 6z this time prolonged easterly kicking off about 21st but isn't quite cold enough would be borderline for snow for most. 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Saint Snow
12 December 2025 11:50:03

GFS op getting blocked late on, but deep in FI. Would say it is getting likely settling down and becoming drier from the last third of December. It will get colder and colder and fog and frost will become stubborn to clear. Perfect winter weather

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Only if there's a foot of snow already lying everywhere 😉


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Chunky Pea
12 December 2025 12:53:09

Today's AIGFS shaping to be nothing like yesterday, and at +276 is nowhere near as good.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

The ECM AI is (interestingly) coming around to what Brian's GFS AI chart was showing the last few days:

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Frosty, foggy weather, which in many ways is more preferable to snow, which typically just turns into a messy, unnappealing slop after a few hours these days anyway. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

ballamar
12 December 2025 19:10:28
ECM op run is close to have I would draw a potential for festive weather on Xmas day. Ignoring the uppers over us at 240h
DEW
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12 December 2025 20:24:07

ECM op run is close to have I would draw a potential for festive weather on Xmas day. Ignoring the uppers over us at 240h

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

This makes more sense if you leave out the bit in bold. Is that what you meant?


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Chichester 12m asl

Saint Snow
12 December 2025 20:26:37

This makes more sense if you leave out the bit in bold. Is that what you meant?

Originally Posted by: DEW 

In mind, I changed 'have' to 'how' (and assumed spell checker)


Martin

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Brian Gaze
12 December 2025 20:34:22
Seasonal Christmas Day if ECM is to be believed.

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Saint Snow
12 December 2025 21:55:47

Seasonal Christmas Day if ECM is to be believed.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The 850hPa air is widely -3c to -5c over the UK

AIFS has some -5c 850hPa air over the SE on Xmas Day

I mean, in terms of being 'the promised land' it's akin to dying of thirst and being given a tablespoon of water (better than nothing, but hardly enough to get you excited!). And, of course, almost a fortnight away. But baby-steps in the right direction.


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Brian Gaze
12 December 2025 22:57:23
AIGFS appears a lot earlier than the GFS. Recent updates have been poor for Christmass.

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BJBlake
13 December 2025 00:28:36

Over the last 48 hours the GEFS London has trended noticeably drier in the reliable outlook. I have mixed feelings about this, as I'm not keen on wet weather but (in contradiction to ill-informed comments from the West Country) the dry weather has not "reset itself with little actual drama" here and we still have a hosepipe ban. So I have been observing prospects for rain with more interest than prospects for cold.

For areas in Sussex the ban has been made more severe; from the SE Water website: "Some of our water resources in Sussex are in drought and we need to take further steps to protect supplies and the environment. Water resources are not quick to react to rainfall, it can take months in some cases. While we’ve had some recent rainfall, it’s not been anywhere near enough to counteract the very dry year we’ve experienced."

https://www.southeastwater.co.uk/about/updates/tubs-sussex/ 

Originally Posted by: AJ* 

Yes - this is also true of the east (meaning East Anglia). Clearly there are wide divergences between the NW and the SE in this years rainfall and drought levels. Moreover, the South and East (especially so in the chalk aquifer areas within these  areas - which includes the Downs, Salisbury plain and central southern England plus west Norfolk, the need is for sustained rainfall to recharge depleted aquifers, as, unlike the west and north, the recharge is a slow process, and requires sustained steady rainfall. We have had a couple of wet episodes in the south and East, but still not enough to replenish depleted aquifers, and sustain them through another GW’d dry hot summer.


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL

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