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Gavin D
30 September 2025 14:24:28
14.2 to the 29th

0.6c above the 61 to 90 average

Bang on the 91 to 20 average

GezM
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30 September 2025 15:23:37
It's been on the cards for a while that Snowshoe was going to win this month. That's confirmed with a day to go. Not often these days that the winner is the person with the 2nd lowest guess!
Living in St Albans, Herts (116m asl)

Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)

Windy Willow
30 September 2025 16:50:02
Well done to Snowshoe 👍🏻

My prediction was way off, I didn't think it  would get so cool.


South Holland, Lincs 5m/16ft ASL

When I saw corruption, I was forced to find truth on my own. I couldn't swallow the hypocrisy.

Barry White

It’s the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine) - R.E.M.

Stormchaser
30 September 2025 17:02:38
Once the nights become long enough that clear skies and light winds can allow temperatures to drop a long way, CET estimation starts to become that bit more difficult.

The resulting chilling of the ground tends to prevent solar insolation from offsetting the anomalously low minimums with as-anomalously high maximums. So you have a means of dropping the CET substantially that isn't dependent on cold airmasses. That's been evident in recent days, as the airmasses have been on the warmer side, but the nights have remained notably chilly, and the days have barely reached above average.

If I have the numbers right, I'll stay put in the middle of the table this month, perhaps in 12th. This year keeps teasing me with some very good results, only to tie my shoelaces every 2nd or 3rd month 😅


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2025's Homeland Extremes:

T-Max: 32.0°C 12th Aug | T-Min: -5.4°C 4th Jan | Wettest Day: 31.8 mm 18th Dec | Ice Days: None

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Frank H
30 September 2025 17:06:16
Well played Snowshoe
Wrightington, Wigan
Snowshoe
01 October 2025 00:32:32
Thanks. 

It's an unexpected win but finally my strategy of going too low had to pay off. 🙂

lanky
01 October 2025 13:41:17
The Official CET Mean for September 2025 is shown as 14.1C

I get a figure of 14.09C when computing (max_min)/2 to 2 decimals

https://hadleyserver.metoffice.gov.uk/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html 


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

scillydave
05 October 2025 19:20:03
Firstly huge congratulations to Snowshoe - a virtual bottle of bubbly is winging its way to you. An excellent prediction in a month where almost everyone went to high.

The result is an interesting leader board with a huge battle going on mid table - nearly half of those playing are within half a degree of each other. A special mention has to go to Stormchaser and Domma who have been neck and neck since June exchanging places in the table within fractions of a degree of each other and with just 0.02 separating them this month there's all to play for in October. There's been a change to the top 3 as well with Dickieboy68 continuing their strong performance this season and now in 3rd place. After forgetting to put my prediction on the opening page of the thread I incur a missed prediction penalty and as a result drop to 6th.

Without further ado here is the September Leader board:

PositionUsernameCumulative Prediction Error
1Frank4.55
2DingleRob4.9
3Dickieboy684.99
4GezM5.1
5Caz5.65
6ScillyDave5.72
7Ally Pally Snowman6.21
8Redmoons6.25
9Sussex Snow Magnet6.29
10Grandad6.49
11Bolty6.56
12Lanky6.61
13Domma6.65
13Snowshoe6.65
14Stormchaser6.67
15Saintsnow6.75
16Kendalian7.12
17Spring Sun Winter Dread7.15
18Wallaw7.58
19RickM7.8
20Jemblow8.32
21Hungry tiger8.99
22Magda9.11
23WindyWillow11.24


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

scillydave
05 October 2025 19:21:45
Firstly huge congratulations to Snowshoe - a virtual bottle of bubbly is winging its way to you. An excellent prediction in a month where almost everyone went to high.

The result is an interesting leader board with a huge battle going on mid table - nearly half of those playing are within half a degree of each other. A special mention has to go to Stormchaser and Domma who have been neck and neck since June exchanging places in the table within fractions of a degree of each other and with just 0.02 separating them this month there's all to play for in October. There's been a change to the top 3 as well with Dickieboy68 continuing their strong performance this season and now in 3rd place. After forgetting to put my prediction on the opening page of the thread I incur a missed prediction penalty and as a result drop to 6th.

Without further ado here is the September Leader board:

PositionUsernameCumulative Prediction Error
1Frank4.55
2DingleRob4.9
3Dickieboy684.99
4GezM5.1
5Caz5.65
6ScillyDave5.72
7Ally Pally Snowman6.21
8Redmoons6.25
9Sussex Snow Magnet6.29
10Grandad6.49
11Bolty6.56
12Lanky6.61
13Domma6.65
13Snowshoe6.65
14Stormchaser6.67
15Saintsnow6.75
16Kendalian7.12
17Spring Sun Winter Dread7.15
18Wallaw7.58
19RickM7.8
20Jemblow8.32
21Hungry tiger8.99
22Magda9.11
23WindyWillow11.24


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Windy Willow
05 October 2025 21:36:16
Well done everyone 👏🏻

I'm having a shockingly bad year and this coming month probably won't fair much better. Can't seem to judge it well, at all!😂😂


South Holland, Lincs 5m/16ft ASL

When I saw corruption, I was forced to find truth on my own. I couldn't swallow the hypocrisy.

Barry White

It’s the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine) - R.E.M.

Saint Snow
06 October 2025 12:55:20

After forgetting to put my prediction on the opening page of the thread I incur a missed prediction penalty and as a result drop to 6th.

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Think you're being unduly harsh on yourself there, Dave


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Dickieboy68
06 October 2025 13:48:43

Think you're being unduly harsh on yourself there, Dave

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Yes, that does seem harsh as you do all the actual work behind the scenes... perhaps it could be a provisional/yellow card/sin bin type of thing that only gets included if it becomes critical ... ??? 

Well play all - see you at the end of October!


Dickieboy - In the deep mid-Wiltshire 85m ASL

Formerly Guest (16) since 2004

scillydave
06 October 2025 19:38:36

Yes, that does seem harsh as you do all the actual work behind the scenes... perhaps it could be a provisional/yellow card/sin bin type of thing that only gets included if it becomes critical ... ??? 

Well play all - see you at the end of October!

Originally Posted by: Dickieboy68 

I appreciate the thought but I can't uphold the rules if I break them myself and get away with it - too much of that going on in the world already! 🤣

I'll have to settle for a stunning comeback instead! 


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Stormchaser
08 October 2025 08:41:59
Good news everyone, if you'd been using the 1991-2020 CET average for all estimates, you'd be on a total error of 11.82°C, which is larger than any of ours.

Which is to say, we're all doing better than if we just assumed 'as before, so after'.

For anyone wondering, using the average of all years in the (very long!) CET record, you'd be on a whopping 16.65°C!


If you have any problems or queries relating to TWO you can Email [email protected]

https://twitter.com/peacockreports 

2025's Homeland Extremes:

T-Max: 32.0°C 12th Aug | T-Min: -5.4°C 4th Jan | Wettest Day: 31.8 mm 18th Dec | Ice Days: None

Keep Calm and Forecast On

Saint Snow
08 October 2025 10:40:09

Good news everyone, if you'd been using the 1991-2020 CET average for all estimates, you'd be on a total error of 11.82°C, which is larger than any of ours.

Which is to say, we're all doing better than if we just assumed 'as before, so after'.

For anyone wondering, using the average of all years in the (very long!) CET record, you'd be on a whopping 16.65°C!

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Has every month this year been milder than the 91-20 average?


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Stormchaser
08 October 2025 16:46:18

Has every month this year been milder than the 91-20 average?

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Almost. The opening month was actually pretty chilly by that standard, while September was just a smidge below.

March-August was an exceptional run of anomalous warmth, in fact unprecedented in the CET record.

Even when using a moving baseline to account for the climate trend, there are few historical instances of 6 months comparably far above, but I can find a few more impressive runs.

Most of all, eight months June 1781 to January 1782, where all but one were at least 1°C above and the exception 0.8°C above.

1959 had a run of 8 at least 1°C above with the exception 0.7°C above.

1933 saw run of 7 at least 1°C above, the exception 0.8°C above.

There's also a 5-month run of 2-3°C above spanning November 1821 to March 1822, which must have felt utterly bananas at the time.

Of course, 2025's impressiveness gets a boost from the fact that the absolute level of warmth is greater and hence less 'classically British' in nature. The monthly departures from 1991-2020:

2025

-1.25°C

0.34°C

1.18°C

1.89°C

1.30°C

2.38°C

1.61°C

1.12°C

-0.08°C


If you have any problems or queries relating to TWO you can Email [email protected]

https://twitter.com/peacockreports 

2025's Homeland Extremes:

T-Max: 32.0°C 12th Aug | T-Min: -5.4°C 4th Jan | Wettest Day: 31.8 mm 18th Dec | Ice Days: None

Keep Calm and Forecast On

Saint Snow
08 October 2025 17:28:20

Almost. The opening month was actually pretty chilly by that standard, while September was just a smidge below.

March-August was an exceptional run of anomalous warmth, in fact unprecedented in the CET record.

Even when using a moving baseline to account for the climate trend, there are few historical instances of 6 months comparably far above, but I can find a few more impressive runs.

Most of all, eight months June 1781 to January 1782, where all but one were at least 1°C above and the exception 0.8°C above.

1959 had a run of 8 at least 1°C above with the exception 0.7°C above.

1933 saw run of 7 at least 1°C above, the exception 0.8°C above.

There's also a 5-month run of 2-3°C above spanning November 1821 to March 1822, which must have felt utterly bananas at the time.

Of course, 2025's impressiveness gets a boost from the fact that the absolute level of warmth is greater and hence less 'classically British' in nature. The monthly departures from 1991-2020:

2025

-1.25°C

0.34°C

1.18°C

1.89°C

1.30°C

2.38°C

1.61°C

1.12°C

-0.08°C

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Interesting, James - and thanks for the data

I'd been wondering, after your initial post, what the impact would have been if someone had gone 1c above the 91-20 average each month.

My bag-of-a-fag-packet calculation suggests they'd be sitting on an aggregate of 7.15c, so out of the running anyway.

The whole scoreboard is a fair bit more compact than I remember it being in previous years


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

Stormchaser
09 October 2025 08:17:13

Interesting, James - and thanks for the data

I'd been wondering, after your initial post, what the impact would have been if someone had gone 1c above the 91-20 average each month.

My bag-of-a-fag-packet calculation suggests they'd be sitting on an aggregate of 7.15c, so out of the running anyway.

The whole scoreboard is a fair bit more compact than I remember it being in previous years

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I get 7.88°C, 29% of which comes from a 2.26°C error in January. So that person would be 20th in the table.

That long run of persistent warmth seems to have discouraged below average estimates more than ever this year.

Even when longer-range guidance suggests a colder pattern may feature, it's hard to gain enough confidence in below average temperatures being as high-magnitude and/or prolonged enough to prevent the monthly mean CET being at least near-average, if not above.

This October is a good example of that. All the longer-term signal for a -NAO pattern did was restrain my estimate to be closer to average... how boring of me 😅


If you have any problems or queries relating to TWO you can Email [email protected]

https://twitter.com/peacockreports 

2025's Homeland Extremes:

T-Max: 32.0°C 12th Aug | T-Min: -5.4°C 4th Jan | Wettest Day: 31.8 mm 18th Dec | Ice Days: None

Keep Calm and Forecast On

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