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briggsy6
03 July 2025 16:34:11

How can it be a whole degree hotter than any other site? I assume it doesn't count towards official records anyway.


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Rob K
03 July 2025 17:32:39

How can it be a whole degree hotter than any other site? I assume it doesn't count towards official records anyway.

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

The same as the PWSs in that area were a couple of degrees higher than those near the Met stations. 

Brogdale is an official Met Office manual station, it’s on the list so it should count. . 


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Heavy Weather 2013
03 July 2025 17:44:48

The same as the PWSs in that area were a couple of degrees higher than those near the Met stations. 

Brogdale is an official Met Office manual station, it’s on the list so it should count. . 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Also, I remember that UKV forcast did suggest very high temperatures in and around that area, in the Leigh of the South Downs.


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Retron
03 July 2025 18:23:33

How can it be a whole degree hotter than any other site? I assume it doesn't count towards official records anyway.

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

Easy, because it was!

As I've said on here many a time, in a SW'ly flow the hottest places will often be to the north of the Downs, as they suffer from a foehn effect. PWSs in Sittingbourne (the next town up from Faversham) were reporting mostly 36s and 37s, so a 35.8 makes perfect sense.

I did say the other day I expected it'd show a 35 or more when it reported, and as it was the warmest station in the UK they understandably would have performed their usual quality checks. 


Leysdown, north Kent
Rob K
03 July 2025 19:21:55

Easy, because it was!

As I've said on here many a time, in a SW'ly flow the hottest places will often be to the north of the Downs, as they suffer from a foehn effect. PWSs in Sittingbourne (the next town up from Faversham) were reporting mostly 36s and 37s, so a 35.8 makes perfect sense.

I did say the other day I expected it'd show a 35 or more when it reported, and as it was the warmest station in the UK they understandably would have performed their usual quality checks. 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

It's interesting that this page of the hottest days of each year  from 1875 removed the Brogdale reading for 2010 because it was 1C higher than Gravesend. I don't think it's surprising that it would be that much hotter under the same conditions. Of course the Gravesend station is no more.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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The Beast from the East
04 July 2025 00:41:40

Easy, because it was!

As I've said on here many a time, in a SW'ly flow the hottest places will often be to the north of the Downs, as they suffer from a foehn effect. PWSs in Sittingbourne (the next town up from Faversham) were reporting mostly 36s and 37s, so a 35.8 makes perfect sense.

I did say the other day I expected it'd show a 35 or more when it reported, and as it was the warmest station in the UK they understandably would have performed their usual quality checks. 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

we are going to see that again next week.  Sunday after next perhaps could get to 100 in these places


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Retron
04 July 2025 04:05:07

It's interesting that this page of the hottest days of each year  from 1875 removed the Brogdale reading for 2010 because it was 1C higher than Gravesend. I don't think it's surprising that it would be that much hotter under the same conditions. Of course the Gravesend station is no more.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Oh, there's always been a lot of sniffiness about Brogdale - much as there used to be about Gravesend back in the day! For whatever reason some in the weather community had a real downer about the place, refusing to accept that its readings were valid and coming up with all sorts of reasons why not. It's why Brogdale was completely ignored in many lists. My own view is simple: if the MetO accepts the reading/site as valid, then it is - end of.

Having lived in the area north of the Downs all my life I know full well that given the right conditions (SW'lies in summer, I suspect humidity plays a role too) that this area can be the warmest in the country. It's good that we have a station in what is still a rural area - yes, the town of Faversham is expanding, but it's all notth of Brogdale and has no effect on the SW'ly heat that brings our hottest days.

Of course these days with so many PWS in the area we can see that it has, in fact, been representative all along. I note the snobbishness about Brogdale is far less these days and that can only be a good thing!


Leysdown, north Kent
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04 July 2025 06:14:09

In the same ways, perhaps as those who rabbit on about 'faux cold' (I hate the term) not being ‘real’ temperatures in the winter. Or as some argue that the remarkably high temps in parts of Scotland in the middle of winter caused by the foehn effect or the Chinook in North America are not real. They are still real temperatures. And the same for Brogdale. 

Off-topic, Brogdale is well known for its incredible fruit collection.

Have a read and you can find out about its weather stations too.

https://brogdalecollections.org/ 

https://brogdalecollections.org/weather-station-garden-for-wildlife-world-music-garden/ 

(poor link when you try and access the Met Office official station they give on that page. You get taken to the front page of the Met Office and that's it).


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04 July 2025 09:35:55

Not suprised with the Brogdale max, an unofficial faversham station in the town on Tuesday exceeded 36c. Is Brogdale still the official Kent record holder? From memory it hit 39.0c in 2022.


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Ally Pally Snowman
04 July 2025 12:05:03

It doesn't look like Brogdale will be validated though. Why is it taking so long? Odd.


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Retron
04 July 2025 12:06:15

It doesn't look like Brogdale will be validated though. Why is it taking so long? Odd.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Hmm? It was validated yesterday.


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
04 July 2025 12:07:36

Hmm? It was validated yesterday.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

No confirmation though from the Met Office. They would normally be all over it on X.


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Retron
04 July 2025 12:22:48

No confirmation though from the Met Office. They would normally be all over it on X.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

They seldom mention "day after" reports, sadly - they didn't do it when Brogdale was the coldest place in the UK over the 2017/8 winter. The only place they mention it really is in their detailed after-event articles.


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
04 July 2025 12:24:56

They seldom mention "day after" reports, sadly - they didn't do it when Brogdale was the coldest place in the UK over the 2017/8 winter. The only place they mention it really is in their detailed after-event articles.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Maybe, hopefully they take it. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
04 July 2025 15:03:14

They seldom mention "day after" reports, sadly - they didn't do it when Brogdale was the coldest place in the UK over the 2017/8 winter. The only place they mention it really is in their detailed after-event articles.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

They do it if it's a record - eg Cambridge Botanic Garden. (Talking of which, there are no readings from CBG on WOW since October last year - has the site shut down?)


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Rob K
04 July 2025 15:45:52

They must have been reading this thread :)

https://x.com/metoffice/status/1941155685330198746 

"Following verification, temperatures peaked at 35.8 °C at Faversham on 1 July, making this the highest temperature reached so far this year.

This surpasses the previous figure of 34.7 °C recorded at St James's Park, which was reported on the same day."


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Ally Pally Snowman
04 July 2025 15:50:15

They must have been reading this thread :)

https://x.com/metoffice/status/1941155685330198746 

"Following verification, temperatures peaked at 35.8 °C at Faversham on 1 July, making this the highest temperature reached so far this year.

This surpasses the previous figure of 34.7 °C recorded at St James's Park, which was reported on the same day."

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I knew they would if it was legitimate.  This could be broken in a week.


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metjam
05 July 2025 14:34:14

It's interesting that this page of the hottest days of each year  from 1875 removed the Brogdale reading for 2010 because it was 1C higher than Gravesend. I don't think it's surprising that it would be that much hotter under the same conditions. Of course the Gravesend station is no more.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

First time making an account and not just lurking around here but thought I'd reply to this:

I removed it as the Met Office don't actually seem to mention this temperature anywhere and the quoted maximum elsewhere seems to be 31.7C from Gravesend. I presumed it was disregarded but could be entirely wrong! 

https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_3d48d3a6-1b92-46d2-b3f0-8a520f8f5970/  - says it was updated in Feb 2013 so presumed any updates to any temperature would have been included 

Rob K
06 July 2025 11:43:43

First time making an account and not just lurking around here but thought I'd reply to this:

I removed it as the Met Office don't actually seem to mention this temperature anywhere and the quoted maximum elsewhere seems to be 31.7C from Gravesend. I presumed it was disregarded but could be entirely wrong! 

https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_3d48d3a6-1b92-46d2-b3f0-8a520f8f5970/  - says it was updated in Feb 2013 so presumed any updates to any temperature would have been included 

Originally Posted by: metjam 

Fair enough, certainly doesn't seem to be mentioned there. Do you know where the Brogdale reading came from in the first place? I haven't seen it anywhere else. Great job putting that list together, by the way!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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metjam
06 July 2025 13:49:51

Fair enough, certainly doesn't seem to be mentioned there. Do you know where the Brogdale reading came from in the first place? I haven't seen it anywhere else. Great job putting that list together, by the way!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

The MIDAS database has it on the same day, but there seems to be other questionable temperatures that have slipped through as well such as 30.1C at Hull on the 23rd of May that same year which isn't mentioned in the monthly summary that has 28.9C at Oxford as a maximum for May. I'm not 100% sure on how well the database is actually QC'd based on this.

The map's here for easy looking through:

https://www.roostweather.com/ukobs/maxtemp_map.php 

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