The Weather Outlook

Remove ads from site

Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2025 08:55:46

The MetO have been giving hints in recent days of more widespread settled weather after the middle of July, and a few of the model runs I have looked at in recent days have been showing this in FI; this morning's GFS 00z op is an example of this.

We need to see the back of the almost permanent LP over Iceland that has been there ever since late May for a more general improvement in fortunes, in my view.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

AIFS looks good for Scotland this morning 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
warrenb
03 July 2025 08:59:37

I actually think the SE of England has entered a new climate zone in comparison to the rest of the country. It is far more continental down here now, very little Atlantic rain seems to get here now even in winter and most of our rain now comes up from the south rather than from the west.


Rob K
03 July 2025 09:13:26

Yes, Enough is Enough but still they want more . Hotter Drier , Hose Pipe Ban , Standpipes in the street , Wildfires ,engulfing populated areas , higher food prices , 🤔

Originally Posted by: bledur 

What people "want" has absolutely no bearing on what the weather does, so I don't understand why people get upset by other people's weather preferences. I'm just glad that whatever the weather does, some weirdo will be enjoying it 😉


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

warrenb
03 July 2025 11:29:21

GFS 6z is slightly warm down south, every day from next Wednesday is 25c or above with a few 30's chucked in for good measure.


Rob K
03 July 2025 11:34:48

I saved a chart from the 00Z GEFS for anyone in Scotland who wants some heat :)

20C isotherm well past 60 degrees north!

UserPostedImage


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Crepuscular Ray
03 July 2025 11:38:43

I saved a chart from the 00Z GEFS for anyone in Scotland who wants some heat :)

20C isotherm well past 60 degrees north!

UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yes please Rob 😁


Jerry

Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill

Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2025 11:56:42

Another roasting AIFS 6z. Mid 30s + at points 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Taylor1740
03 July 2025 12:22:16

Yes, Enough is Enough but still they want more . Hotter Drier , Hose Pipe Ban , Standpipes in the street , Wildfires ,engulfing populated areas , higher food prices , 🤔

Originally Posted by: bledur 

I know seems crazy to me, having said that if it was Winter I would probably want it as cold and as much snow as possible. There's no guarantee of the next heatwave just yet though but the impression you get on here is that another 35c+ heatwave is nailed on.


NW Leeds - 150m amsl
TimS
  • TimS
  • Advanced Member
03 July 2025 12:26:02

There are some very hot members in the GEFS 06z (likely including some 40C+ maxes), so although we've had a couple of MEHish runs from several models in the last 24 hours the overall pattern remains.

In 2022 I got into the habit of calculating the "average max" 850hpa across all the ensemble perturbations. Because they all peak at different times the average 850 line is always lower than where most runs will end up.

On this 00z the maxes for London are, from P1-P30 plus CON and OP:  17, 20, 20, 18, 23, 21, 15, 20, 18, 14, 23, 16, 23, 15, 20, 16, 14, 17, 18, 15, 23, 20, 17, 18, 17, 20, 19, 16, 20, 16, 22, 16

The average (mean) max is 18.34C. At this time of year and assuming sunshine that equates to a surface max of around 33-34C. So the average model perturbation is peaking at some point at 33-34C. There are 13 runs with a max of 20C+, i.e. at least 35-36C, and 4 runs that hit 23C: getting close to 40C. The coolest peak in the set is 14, which still gives us at least 30C.

For GEFS 06C we have an average max of 17.5C and a few runs only getting to 13C. So the peaks are a bit lower although there is one member at 24C.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Rob K
03 July 2025 12:27:03
GFS Control run is crazy hot, 29C 850s just across the Channel pushing temperatures into the mid-40s across northern France.

Nine runs in the 06Z GEFS exceed 20C at 850mb in London. Same for the 00Z.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

TimS
  • TimS
  • Advanced Member
03 July 2025 13:10:58

There are some very hot members in the GEFS 06z (likely including some 40C+ maxes), so although we've had a couple of MEHish runs from several models in the last 24 hours the overall pattern remains.

In 2022 I got into the habit of calculating the "average max" 850hpa across all the ensemble perturbations. Because they all peak at different times the average 850 line is always lower than where most runs will end up.

On this 00z the maxes for London are, from P1-P30 plus CON and OP:  17, 20, 20, 18, 23, 21, 15, 20, 18, 14, 23, 16, 23, 15, 20, 16, 14, 17, 18, 15, 23, 20, 17, 18, 17, 20, 19, 16, 20, 16, 22, 16

The average (mean) max is 18.34C. At this time of year and assuming sunshine that equates to a surface max of around 33-34C. So the average model perturbation is peaking at some point at 33-34C. There are 13 runs with a max of 20C+, i.e. at least 35-36C, and 4 runs that hit 23C: getting close to 40C. The coolest peak in the set is 14, which still gives us at least 30C.

For GEFS 06C we have an average max of 17.5C and a few runs only getting to 13C. So the peaks are a bit lower although there is one member at 24C.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Actually once the full 06 ensemble had run the average max was 17.9C, so not that far off 00z.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
bledur
03 July 2025 13:25:49

What people "want" has absolutely no bearing on what the weather does, so I don't understand why people get upset by other people's weather preferences. I'm just glad that whatever the weather does, some weirdo will be enjoying it ;-)

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Not upset by peoples weather preferences but there is now a serious disconnect to "What i want and am entitled to" and the actual effects of such wishes

The Beast from the East
03 July 2025 13:32:08

I actually think the SE of England has entered a new climate zone in comparison to the rest of the country. It is far more continental down here now, very little Atlantic rain seems to get here now even in winter and most of our rain now comes up from the south rather than from the west.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Yes, the Azores high pushing in seems to be a permanent feature.  


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President

Saint Snow
03 July 2025 13:34:33

General pattern on GFS and AIFS pretty much remains very similar - lots of high pressure around the UK, mostly but not exclusively over the southern half. Occasional incursions of low pressure from the N or NW, but none being modelled to stick around for more than a day or two (away from NW Scotland) before HP reasserts.

The far reaches of FI do seem to be playing around with a different scenario, where high pressure is centred further north


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

moomin75
03 July 2025 18:11:20

GFS 12z very slow today, but not worth waiting for as it again goes cooler and changeable.

The trend to a more unsettled (though not massively so) July is becoming clearer.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

doctormog
03 July 2025 18:19:13

GFS 12z very slow today, but not worth waiting for as it again goes cooler and changeable.

The trend to a more unsettled (though not massively so) July is becoming clearer.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

The rainfall totals on the GFS 12z op run show a very dry picture across much of the SE over the next 16 days or so. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_384_49.png 


Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2025 18:19:20

GFS 12z very slow today, but not worth waiting for as it again goes cooler and changeable.

The trend to a more unsettled (though not massively so) July is becoming clearer.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I'd say the GFS 12z is very NW/SE split . It's basically scorchio all the way in the SE.

AIFS is hot for all. Remarkable charts atm. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
03 July 2025 19:05:32

I'd say the GFS 12z is very NW/SE split . It's basically scorchio all the way in the SE.

AIFS is hot for all. Remarkable charts atm. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

The actual ECM 12z is all a bit uninspiring again too though.

I really do think we've seen the hottest spell this summer.

I also think we will get continued dry and summery weather at times, but more standard stuff, 27-28c, which will do just fine!


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Rob K
03 July 2025 19:15:47

The actual ECM 12z is all a bit uninspiring again too though.

I really do think we've seen the hottest spell this summer.

I also think we will get continued dry and summery weather at times, but more standard stuff, 27-28c, which will do just fine!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Well seeing as it reached 35.8C on Monday that wouldn't be a massive surprise. Assuming that is ratified, it's hotter than 140 of the past 150 years (and hotter than all but four years in the entire 20th century.

And yet based on the current model output, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. Even the "cooler and less settled" (relatively) 12Z GFS has temperatures reaching 35C on three separate days.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

TimS
  • TimS
  • Advanced Member
03 July 2025 19:34:48

Well seeing as it reached 35.8C on Monday that wouldn't be a massive surprise. Assuming that is ratified, it's hotter than 140 of the past 150 years (and hotter than all but four years in the entire 20th century.

And yet based on the current model output, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. Even the "cooler and less settled" (relatively) 12Z GFS has temperatures reaching 35C on three separate days.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Where was the 35.8C, I missed that?


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2025 19:52:37

The actual ECM 12z is all a bit uninspiring again too though.

I really do think we've seen the hottest spell this summer.

I also think we will get continued dry and summery weather at times, but more standard stuff, 27-28c, which will do just fine!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Ecm 12z is a bit meh , but would.still likely have a run of 30c days for the South.

AIFS has been brilliant this Summer and is now consistently showing a heatwave that would be historic. Obviously it may not happen but I think we could be on the brink of a record month. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
03 July 2025 20:14:40

I really do think we've seen the hottest spell this summer.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Like the coolest wettest June we've just had? , your forecast.


Berkshire
moomin75
03 July 2025 20:21:01

Like the coolest wettest June we've just had? , your forecast.

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

I actually never forecast the coolest wettest June, I merely said what the models were consistently showing that it was likely to turn cooler and more changeable.

It didn't, which shows the infallible nature of computer models.

I think July is likely to be cooler than June, but not cold...

Time, as ever, will tell.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Essan
03 July 2025 20:27:26

The actual ECM 12z is all a bit uninspiring again too though.

I really do think we've seen the hottest spell this summer.

I also think we will get continued dry and summery weather at times, but more standard stuff, 27-28c, which will do just fine!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Time was, 28c was a very hot day 😉    Now it's just "standard" ......  ?   

Not sure we'll seen any below average days here in S Worcs at all this month.  Certainly nothing on the horizon atm.    That in itself will make July a very warm month, probably one of the warmest on record.     As well as continuing one of the driest periods on record.   

Personally, 18c and rain every day would make a very pleasant change 😛 


Andy

Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl

Weather & Earth Science News 

Look in the doubt we've wallowed, look at the leaders we've followed, look at the lies we've swallowed, and I don't want to hear no more

Rob K
03 July 2025 20:39:22

Where was the 35.8C, I missed that?

Originally Posted by: TimS 

See the heatwave thread - Brogdale was right in the prime spot for the heat on Monday. It took its time posting the reading though!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Remove ads from site