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White Meadows
24 May 2025 05:44:41

Regardless of the short to medium term outlook and regardless of how sunny/wet/dry/cloudy a summer we have, I think that a warmer than average one is now surely inevitable;

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/uk-waters-gripped-by-prolonged-marine-heatwave 

It's hardly possible to have even an average summer with sea temperatures of this kind. 

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

Stranger things have happened. Although it does reinforce the possibility of sustaining high pressure over us and the near continent later in summer. 

first we have the June monsoon to deal with, which looks early this year (like the shifting seasons).

potentially very wet in some areas towards the end of next week. 

A real half term wash out. 

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24 May 2025 07:32:59
WX back on stream today (What are they playing at?) Average temps in week 1 in bands N-S;  about normal for the Atlantic coast, cool for C Europe as far S as Greece, rather warm for Finland and NW Russia, cool beyond the Urals. In week 2 a lot of warmth moving up from the SW and displacing the cool area NE-wards; Britain distinctly warmer, France and Germany looking hot. Dry for S Spain and W Med in both weeks, quite a lot of rain elsewhere in week 1, breaking up and diminishing in week 2.

MetO rainfall chart has today's main band of rain clearing E-wards, some hanging back in NW Scotland. New area of rain pushes across Ireland this evening, splitting into two areas, N Scotland (heavy) and SE England (not much). Scattered showers before the next area arrives on Tuesday, again the same pattern as it crosses Ireland and splits into two but this time soon dying out in Scotland but becoming persistent and even heavy along the south coast through Wed.

GFS op 0z; A W-ly or SW-ly regime with troughs crossing Britain in agreement with MetO rainfall above. After Wed 28th pressure rises briefly to the SE while LPs continue to brush NW Scotland. Another trough based Scotland 1005mb Sun 1st but affecting all of Britain; then another on Thu 5th. Finally a proper HP Mon 9th 1030mb centred Yorkshire.

ECM: aligns with GFS at first. The trough on Sun 1st is weaker but this model produces a deeper one approaching Ireland Tue 3rd and looking as if it will arrive over Britain a day earlier than Thu 5th

GEFS: mild at first, cool Mon 26th, quite warm for a week  in S, near norm in N,  before mean resumes closer to norm  everywhere as ens members spread out, Rain agreeing with MetO to 28th, after that variable but small amounts in most runs in the S, perhaps augmented Wed 4th, always likely to be heavier in Scotland if and when it happens. 


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idj20
24 May 2025 09:48:49
Looks like the UK is going to be stuck under a maritime-type south westerly-westerly airflow for quite a while. Once such a "default" type regime set in, like this one, it takes some shifting. ECM is looking rather Atlantic-driven whereas the normally progressive GFS offers glimmers of hope of return to Summer at least for the southern contingent. 

Dare I say it . . . we do need the rain/dampness. 😂


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Saint Snow
24 May 2025 10:32:51

Looks like the UK is going to be stuck under a maritime-type south westerly-westerly airflow for quite a while. Once such a "default" type regime set in, like this one, it takes some shifting. ECM is looking rather Atlantic-driven whereas the normally progressive GFS offers glimmers of hope of return to Summer at least for the southern contingent. 

Dare I say it . . . we do need the rain/dampness. 😂

Originally Posted by: idj20 

Certainly the next 6-10 days will see low pressure close to and having some influence over at least part of the UK. Uncertainty over which areas are most affected (good chance the wettest area will move around) 

But there's been a consistent pattern from around +180 to +240 for higher pressure to move in over the UK.

Again (and to be expected), exact positioning of high pressure varies run to run and between models. 


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24 May 2025 13:38:36
ECMWF foreasting rainfall accumulated totals  over the next fortnight of 50mm just inland from the Channel, 65mm East Anglia, 110mm Lancashire, and upwards of 150mmon all western hills (Wales tops out at 200mm). As most of this rain is forecast for a week ahead, I think I'll reserve my position until I see it happening

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmhr.aspx?run=00&charthour=141&chartname=total_precip_uk&chartregion=uk-region&charttag=Precip%20total 


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25 May 2025 05:40:23
WX - yesterday's charts

GFS Op - Mobile W-ly regime, troughs crossing Britain now and Wed 28th, weaker trough Sun 1st (more like a gap between two mobile areas of HP) then less mobile with areas of LP sticking W of Ireland THu 5th and Tue 10th with mild S/SW-lies for Britain. 

ECM (12z at time of posting) - somewhat like GFS but trough Wed 28th shallower, that on Sun 1st deeper with closed circulation 995mb Dorset

GEFS - becoming milder around Sat 31st then a dip but warmer later. In the S, chances of rain highest around Wed 28th and Thu 5th (the latter with a monster spike of 60mm in one run). In the N, small amounts of rain at any time.

Now off to London for the day


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fairweather
25 May 2025 13:03:57

ECMWF foreasting rainfall accumulated totals  over the next fortnight of 50mm just inland from the Channel, 65mm East Anglia, 110mm Lancashire, and upwards of 150mmon all western hills (Wales tops out at 200mm). As most of this rain is forecast for a week ahead, I think I'll reserve my position until I see it happening

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmhr.aspx?run=00&charthour=141&chartname=total_precip_uk&chartregion=uk-region&charttag=Precip%20total 

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Wise because the 7mm we've had here so far in this breakdown isn't exactly drought busting!


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26 May 2025 07:38:28
MetO rainfall chart shows showers today turning into a band of rain crossing the country mostly affecting N England/S Scotland; wet tomorrow Tuesday for England again with rain from the west; more on Wed/Thu, this time heading for Scotland esp heavy in the NW; and more for N Ireland / S Scotland on Fri/Sat. Very little for the SE after Tuesday. All supported by FAX charts (LPs 999mb NE England early Tue, 1003mb S Ireland late Tue, 995mb Hebrides Thu and also have a further LP 1001mb waiting its turn in mid-Atlantic on Friday).

GFS Op 00z; W-lies with embedded troughs at first but contrary to above HP establishes 1020mb in the SE Thu 29th and keeps LP away until a final trough moves across Sun1st and HP sets up a block to the east of Britain, with SW-lies for the following week and LP never far from NW Scotland. From Sun 8th HP moves in strongly from the SW and is the dominant force for the following week.

 ECM; like GFS until Sun 1st when the trough persists and by Thu 5th has slack (and cool) LP 1000mb covering all of Britain.

GEFS; Ens members agree on weather becoming warm in the S, scarcely so in N, to Sat 31st then briefly cooler; less agreement but mostly a little above norm for the following week.  Rain grading from a couple of days in the S (Wed 28th and Sun 1st) to daily rainfall in the NW, nowhere very heavy 


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27 May 2025 07:07:36
WX up and running today! Mild/warm for W Europe, cool from Finland down to Belarus to Bulgaria, hot further east. Then in week 2 the cool area gets pinched in from both sides, and indeed something rather warm moves up from the SW to affect England and S Ireland, also branching on to Sweden. Rain in week 1 in most of Europe except Spain, heavy in E Europe, not much for SE England. In week 2 a rather dry area stretching from Spain via N France to Scandinavia with rain on either side (i.e. rain for Scotland but minimal for England).

GFS Op 00z; A mobile situation in week 1 with SW-lies pushing troughs (mainly affecting the N) and ridges (mainly affecting the S) across Britain. On Tue 3rd a deeper LP 985mb Hebrides which then moves into the N Sea with a repeat on Sat 7th before a ridge of HP sets up from the south to cover all of Britain Wed 11th.

ECM; like GFS though the LP after Tue 3rd moves into mainland Britain rather than the N Sea

GEFS; Rain likely in the S now, Sun 1st and and Fri 6th, never very much, otherwise mostly dry. Temps warm for the coming week, dropping back to norm Sun 1st before rising again steadily (but with a greater spread of ens members). In Scotland, temp profile similar, but rain could occur at any time and could be heavy in the NW.


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27 May 2025 08:15:59
ECM is still keener to show more generally unsettled weather than GFS  - at least for a week. Temperatures trending warmer overall but most areas look set to benefit from more rain. GFS looks drier across southern England.  
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Saint Snow
27 May 2025 10:17:21

ECM is still keener to show more generally unsettled weather than GFS  - at least for a week. Temperatures trending warmer overall but most areas look set to benefit from more rain. GFS looks drier across southern England.  

Originally Posted by: GezM 

I'm not really encouraged by either.

I've not really followed the models the past 2/3 days and before that, there were fairly consistent signs that more settled conditions were likely to build back in from around next weekend. 

Looking at the output this morning, any settled set is pushed back further - and looks unstable/prone to being blown away by Atlantic lows anyway.

Disappointing.


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The Beast from the East
27 May 2025 10:33:31
latest GFS not looking good for Epsom Derby week.  Seems we are settling into what we have seen in recent summers. pattern of above average temps but rather wet
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Dickieboy68
27 May 2025 15:03:44

WX up and running today! Mild/warm for W Europe, cool from Finland down to Belarus to Bulgaria, hot further east. Then in week 2 the cool area gets pinched in from both sides, and indeed something rather warm moves up from the SW to affect England and S Ireland, also branching on to Sweden. Rain in week 1 in most of Europe except Spain, heavy in E Europe, not much for SE England. In week 2 a rather dry area stretching from Spain via N France to Scandinavia with rain on either side (i.e. rain for Scotland but minimal for England).

GFS Op 00z; A mobile situation in week 1 with SW-lies pushing troughs (mainly affecting the N) and ridges (mainly affecting the S) across Britain. On Tue 3rd a deeper LP 985mb Hebrides which then moves into the N Sea with a repeat on Sat 7th before a ridge of HP sets up from the south to cover all of Britain Wed 11th.

ECM; like GFS though the LP after Tue 3rd moves into mainland Britain rather than the N Sea

GEFS; Rain likely in the S now, Sun 1st and and Fri 6th, never very much, otherwise mostly dry. Temps warm for the coming week, dropping back to norm Sun 1st before rising again steadily (but with a greater spread of ens members). In Scotland, temp profile similar, but rain could occur at any time and could be heavy in the NW.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

GEFS; Rain likely in the S now, Sun 1st and and Fri 6th, 🧊🌨❄ - Wow, cold for June.....

(Ahhh - re-read that now......)


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28 May 2025 06:58:39
WX charts loading yesterday's version

GFS Op 00z; W-ly or SW-ly for a week with troughs affecting (mainly) the north, more settled in the south, until Tue 3rd when a deeper LP 990mb settles over S Scotland and affects the whole of Britain. This soon moves away to the NE; then back to the W-lies for another week to Tue 10th before HP 1025mb appears in the N Sea which combined with a trough off NW Scotland switches winds round to the south. By Fri 13th this airflow is bringing up (?thundery) LPs from Spain.

ECM; similar to GFS

GEFS; warm in S to Sun 1st before dropping back to norm, until then with good ens agreement. After that mean is above norm but increasing spread of ens members, control promising a heat wave however op run holding back. In the north, similar trend but a couple of degrees lower throughout. Very little rain in the far S ; in the N small amounts of rain at any time.


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Taylor1740
28 May 2025 11:25:52
Looks like after the model uncertainty last week, that a fairly cool and unsettled first 7 - 10 days of June is now pretty much nailed on.
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Ally Pally Snowman
28 May 2025 12:49:35
Ecm especially keeps producing heatwaves in the day 10+ zone. Can we reel one in?
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Brian Gaze
28 May 2025 13:39:08
Arpege is really dialling up the thermostat in parts of southern Europe. The thinned grid shows 40C in Spain and Portugal on Friday. A lot of grid points are missing from this plot (for formatting reasons) so I wouldn't be surprised if locally values are a couple of C higher.

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29 May 2025 05:36:46
The GEM at 192hrs is indicative of how unsettled it could be everywhere next week a trio of lows around the UK and the jet running right through southern England. Return of the westerlies indeed.   
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29 May 2025 07:27:40
GFS Op 00z; A SW-ly flow for the next week or so, unsettled in the N, drier in the S. Troughs pass close to Scotland today and Sun 1st without penetrating further S; a more extensive trough on Tue 3rd, persisting and taking a second bite Fri 6th. This slowly moves NE and Hp returns from the SW 1030mb England Tue 10th, drifting slowly E-wards and leaving slack pressure over Britain Fri 13th.

ECM; similar to GFS but suggests continental LP coming up from the S Sun 8th before the HP comes in.

GEM; some variation on GFS; the effect of the LP Tue 3rd is mainly confined to Scotland but that on Fri 6th deeper and further south, 985mb Irish Sea

GEFS; In the S warm for the next few days, back to norm or a little below Sun1st. Then mean temp rises slowly to just above norm by Sat 14th as ens members spread out, mostly near mean but a few hot outliers. Small amounts of rain frequent in w/b Tue 3rd, otherwise mostly dry. In the N, not as warm to start with but temps otherwise similar to the S; modest amounts of rain at any time but drier in far NE.


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29 May 2025 08:09:52

The GEM at 192hrs is indicative of how unsettled it could be everywhere next week a trio of lows around the UK and the jet running right through southern England. Return of the westerlies indeed.   

Originally Posted by: HighPressureGloom 

The theme is, if anything, more unsettled today than on previous days. The rainfall is more evenly distributed and there is less in the way of warm weather - especially after this Saturday. Any longer settled spell is consistently being pushed back to around the 10 day mark.  


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White Meadows
29 May 2025 09:41:14
First week of June looking increasingly like a stinker for most if not all parts of the UK. Wet, cool, dull and windy at times especially the further west you go. 

Could summer have finished already, now we have seasons shifting dramatically and April-May end up being our June-July period?

As others have noted, the westerly pattern setting in can often get stuck for 12 weeks or more. 

cultman1
29 May 2025 10:27:24
I was thinking this especially for June and July next week is looking pretty awful and possibly beyond now we are stuck in this pattern 
The Beast from the East
29 May 2025 10:40:37
ECM still more settled and the potential for the plume. GFS backing GEM with digging the storm south.  Lets hope ECM is correct
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Saint Snow
29 May 2025 10:45:58
The 0z's for both GFS and ECM had high pressure building in and over the UK in 10'ish days time - around the 7th (ECM) and 9th (GFS).

GFS 6z backs away from that and keeps everything unsettled.


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29 May 2025 11:22:33

The 0z's for both GFS and ECM had high pressure building in and over the UK in 10'ish days time - around the 7th (ECM) and 9th (GFS).

GFS 6z backs away from that and keeps everything unsettled.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

High pressure does move in at the end of the run. Far FI of course but there does seem to be a consistent signal for things to settle down as we move into the second week of June. 

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