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Taylor1740
27 April 2025 19:09:54
15th of June.
NW Leeds - 150m amsl
scillydave
27 April 2025 20:20:53
31st May for me please - great idea Brian. 
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

westv
28 April 2025 06:38:22

That'd be wonderful, but I just can't see it - it's not the 1980s any more! 😁

Originally Posted by: Retron 

My reasoning is that I have more chance of being right suggesting it won't be reached than the 1 in 150 chance of picking a specific date.

Google also tells me the last time 30c wasn't reached was 2016 and that 6 other years since 2010 have been below 30c. Time will tell of course.


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Retron
28 April 2025 06:43:03

My reasoning is that I have more chance of being right suggesting it won't be reached than the 1 in 150 chance of picking a specific date.

Google also tells me the last time 30c wasn't reached was 2016 and that 6 other years since 2010 have been below 30c. Time will tell of course.

Originally Posted by: westv 

That's, erm, a unique way of doing it! Not sure that'd have met with approval with my stats teacher at school! 😁

Your Google-fu is also very much wrong. 2016 saw 34.4 in Gravesend, and the last time we didn't get a 30 was in fact 1993. It's overwhelmingly likely, especially given the warming since 1993, that 30 will be reached each year.

https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1875.html 


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Brian Gaze
28 April 2025 06:52:24

That's, erm, a unique way of doing it! Not sure that'd have met with approval with my stats teacher at school! 😁

Your Google-fu is also very much wrong. 2016 saw 34.4 in Gravesend, and the last time we didn't get a 30 was in fact 1993. It's overwhelmingly likely, especially given the warming since 1993, that 30 will be reached each year.

https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1875.html 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Yes that Google AI (I assume) is totally wrong. I wrote about it here recently:

"In the 1970s and 80s it wasn't even a given that the milestone [30°C] would be reached, 1972, 1974, 1978, 1980 and 1981 all fell short. However, the last time this happened was in 1993, when the maximum temperature recorded was 29.7°C at East Bergholt, Suffolk."

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/buzz/7461/how-soon-could-the-uk-hit-30c-this-year 


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Bolty
28 April 2025 14:42:19
Could it happen on Friday? Some of the models are showing a few 28s and 29s down in the South East. Surely it happening on 2nd May would be the earliest 30°C on record?
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westv
28 April 2025 14:46:11

That's, erm, a unique way of doing it! Not sure that'd have met with approval with my stats teacher at school! 😁

Your Google-fu is also very much wrong. 2016 saw 34.4 in Gravesend, and the last time we didn't get a 30 was in fact 1993. It's overwhelmingly likely, especially given the warming since 1993, that 30 will be reached each year.

https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1875.html 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

You had a teacher especially for stats?! How very upmarket. 🤣

At least with my way I can still think I'm right up until/if 30c is breached. Hehe!!


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DEW
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28 April 2025 14:52:05

Could it happen on Friday? Some of the models are showing a few 28s and 29s down in the South East. Surely it happening on 2nd May would be the earliest 30°C on record?

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Earliest 30C on record were 12th and 14th May in London, 1945 and 1943 respectively, just creeping over the line at 30.0. Several others later in the month from London and the SE, the 1940s and 50s being prominent. https://www.torro.org.uk/extremes/date-records/max-temp

See opening post in 'Current conditions' thread for date records to watch out for later this week.


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Chunky Pea
28 April 2025 15:06:29

That'd be wonderful, but I just can't see it - it's not the 1980s any more! 😁

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Big 80s hair coincided with cooler temps. Flatter, more generic/bland hairstyles from around the early 90s onwards helped create the current warming, It's time to bring back big hair. It absorbs vast quantities of C02. 


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Brian Gaze
28 April 2025 15:16:17

Could it happen on Friday? Some of the models are showing a few 28s and 29s down in the South East. Surely it happening on 2nd May would be the earliest 30°C on record?

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

UKV is showing 31C on Thursday.


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Ally Pally Snowman
28 April 2025 16:19:14
Met office going for 29c on Thursday now. London area 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
28 April 2025 16:20:46
Kudos to GEM it was predicting 29c/30c 10 days out.
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
28 April 2025 16:23:11
Latest Arpege also has 29c on Thursday 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Retron
28 April 2025 16:33:49

You had a teacher especially for stats?! How very upmarket. 🤣

At least with my way I can still think I'm right up until/if 30c is breached. Hehe!!

Originally Posted by: westv 

Hah, it was actually me being sneaky back in the late 90s!

Rather than take a pure maths A-level, which would have been four modules which increased in difficulty, I took an AS-level in pure maths and one in stats - which only had the first two modules from pure maths and the first two from the full stats A-level. It worked out well, I got the grades I needed to go on to Uni and did it without having to go through the really hard stuff!

It turned out stats was really quite fun, and I enjoyed it much more than pure maths. The teacher for stats was a bit eccentric too, and that helped! And yes, for whatever reason he only taught A-level stats. He was an older chap and I suspect it was his way of partially retiring.

(There was also a mechanics course, but one look at the formula sheet for it - with formulae for things like the amount of energy in a spring - put me right off. I'm glad I didn't put my name down for that one!)

As for the topic in hand, it'll be interesting to see whether the high-res models have modelled it well. There has to be a relatively decent chance of it going later this week...


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
28 April 2025 17:03:51
Arpege could be hiding a 30C but I don't have time to dig through the grib. That aside, both GEM and the Arpege thinned grid are showing 29C.

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scillydave
28 April 2025 20:48:28
From a purely geeky point of view it's such a shame that its Thursday for the hottest day not Wednesday - I'd have loved to see the April record fall.
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Brian Gaze
28 April 2025 20:57:47
UKV 15Z thinned grid shows 30C again on Thursday.

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Brian Gaze
29 April 2025 06:33:00
UKV 03Z down a tad, but still going for 30C on Thursday.

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Mcconnor8
29 April 2025 07:38:28
Can I go for 1st May in the competition please 🙂
westv
29 April 2025 11:04:15

UKV 03Z down a tad, but still going for 30C on Thursday.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I'll be happy with 29.9.😀


Big heat in May

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Saint Snow
29 April 2025 11:47:27

Can I go for 1st May in the competition please :)

Originally Posted by: Mcconnor8 

🤣


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Brian Gaze
29 April 2025 11:56:59

🤣

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I was surprised it took so long to go. 😂


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Retron
30 April 2025 05:05:51
The way things are going it'll be reached here! Astonishing model output from the MetO.

The temperature's been creeping up over the past couple of days: started off at 25 three days ago, was 26 two days ago, 27 yesterday morning and 28 yesterday evening. The text mentions a regional high of 29 and given we have an onshore breeze for much of the day I'd be amazed if we reached 29. There are three things responsible: one, a switch away from an onshore wind later in the day; two, clear skies all day for maximum insolation and three, very low humidity - humid air takes longer to warm up and cool down, so the very low humidity (23%) means faster warming. (In effect the ground acts like a radiator, if the air is humid that radiator effect is less efficient - at least that's my understanding).

These conditions, if they happen, will probably lead to a 30 at Brogdale - it always does well in these situations due to its position to the lee of the Downs.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/may1.jpg 

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The GFS, meanwhile, paints a completely different picture. No onshore breeze, cloud building from late morning onwards and a much higher dewpoint - 12 or 13, rather than the 3 that MetO shows. This would be a very warm, stuffy-feeling sort of day, compared to the hot but very dry feeling day from the MetO.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/may1xc.jpg 

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It's very unusual to get such massive differences between the models only a day out - it'll be interesting to see which, in any, ends up being correct!


Leysdown, north Kent
Caz
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30 April 2025 05:53:43
The first 30c looks possible on Thursday but I’ll say May 10th.  
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Brian Gaze
30 April 2025 06:23:26
UKV is going for 31C.

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Arpege joins the 30C club tomorrow.

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