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DEW
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Sunday, February 23, 2025 1:54:16 PM
I might just raise my assessment of this winter to 3/10 - we did have a couple of snowfalls though these were only on the tops of the Downs and lasted no more than 2 or 3 days. Few frosts; no ice days; and the overall impression dragged down by a cloudy, cold and raw February in which any cold air got stuck somewhere near Belgium.

I've just packed away the cover for the outside tap - it wasn't actually needed and it won't be needed now


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Brian Gaze
Sunday, February 23, 2025 1:57:08 PM

In the old days, when we used to get snow down here, that was an increasingly common sight - even at 1C, having a dewpoint of 0.9C makes the snow melt quite quickly. It's the same thing we've seen down here in summer, dewpoints seem to be a fair bit higher than they were even 20 years ago. The last two summers have had 19 or 20C dewpoints down here, and I remember 25 years ago discussions on usw as to whether a 19 dewpoint was even possible in the UK - this was reported at one of the US bases in the UK, and the consensus was that no, it's unlikely to happen, and that the "wet bulb" had dried out!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Could be wrong, but I also seem to recall a discussion (possibly on usw) about whether 100F was even possible in the UK.


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Retron
Sunday, February 23, 2025 2:06:41 PM

Could be wrong, but I also seem to recall a discussion (possibly on usw) about whether 100F was even possible in the UK.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I've a feeling there was one on here too, as well as usw - much like whether -30 is possible. I think the outcome of the one I remembered was that yes, it was possible, but only given an exceptional setup.

Fast forward 20+ years...


Leysdown, north Kent
Chunky Pea
Sunday, February 23, 2025 2:23:27 PM
Only half decent fall of snow we had here was last November, and even then it was a poor showing.  Overall, found this winter to be grim and stale. Rainfall well below average, yet, constantly dank and damp, with a very notable lack of high, and even modeate rain rates, and with only one day observed with thunder. Temps about average but with remarkable lack of frosts. Mean wind speeds, continuing on with the 'modern winter' trend, also well below average, despite a very brief stormy spell in January. Overall, would rate this winter about 0.001/10. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Jiries
Sunday, February 23, 2025 7:13:45 PM

Could be wrong, but I also seem to recall a discussion (possibly on usw) about whether 100F was even possible in the UK.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Most shocking is June had not made any record since 1976 which was not under global warming. June with longest daylight and highest sun position failed to see 100F yet. 

Jiries
Tuesday, February 25, 2025 10:28:57 PM
Working day shift 7am to 7pm so kept my conservatory doors closed until my wife got home from her early shift as well at 2.30pm and opened the doors to let some warmth in.  Was surprised to see 37.7c 100F the first 100F in Feb and was not fully sunny as well too.  Must be strong sun strength for late Feb.  I am sure 40C could be reached if was built few years ago when UK saw first 21C in Feb.  Despite the 37.7C was 6.1C this morning and now 8.7C.   
westv
Wednesday, February 26, 2025 8:00:44 AM

I've a feeling there was one on here too, as well as usw - much like whether -30 is possible. I think the outcome of the one I remembered was that yes, it was possible, but only given an exceptional setup.

Fast forward 20+ years...

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Yes, there was a discussion on here about 100f.


Big heat in May

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Saint Snow
Wednesday, February 26, 2025 1:29:50 PM

 That said, one thing I noticed from photos sent to me by friends living in York and Stockport was that the snow appeared to be melting (not from direct sunlight) during the days, so temperatures were generally climbing several degrees above freezing. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Oddly, one thing that stood out in that spell was how little meltage we actually had, especially after one of the falls that froze.

It reminded me of the Jan 2010 spell* where, from a week or so after the initial snow and freeze, it wasn't actually that cold (850's were certainly not cold) yet the snow persisted on the ground with little meltage for 3-4 weeks

* Obviously with a fraction of the snow depth


Martin

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Col
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Wednesday, February 26, 2025 6:33:46 PM

Could be wrong, but I also seem to recall a discussion (possibly on usw) about whether 100F was even possible in the UK.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

And if you'd suggested that 40C was possible, you'd have been laughed at.


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

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Tim A
Wednesday, February 26, 2025 7:22:20 PM
Overall a decent season mostly because of the January cold spell where there was deep snow on the ground for over a week.

 Technically 10 days of snow cover in that spell, the last 2 of those it was thawing. Hardly any melt for the first 8 days , it really was disruptive with it hard to get about.  Snow on snow a couple of times during the spell.  November saw some good snow  which stuck around too and then a snow to rain event.  Late Jan and Feb was frustrating as cold and damp from two different synoptic setups that with temps a bit lower could have seen decent snow. 


Tim

NW Leeds

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Bolty
Thursday, February 27, 2025 2:05:02 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic that we may finally be seeing spring starting to get going! 😄
Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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Col
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Thursday, February 27, 2025 3:24:29 PM

I'm cautiously optimistic that we may finally be seeing spring starting to get going! 😄

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Certainly going to be in like a lamb....

Personally I don't care if I don't see another flake of snow until Nov/Dec.


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Saint Snow
Thursday, February 27, 2025 3:29:22 PM

Certainly going to be in like a lamb....

Personally I don't care if I don't see another flake of snow until Nov/Dec.

Originally Posted by: Col 

Whilst I wouldn't say that, snow beyond about mid-/late-Feb is a bit of a waste of time as it doesn't last.


Martin

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speckledjim
Thursday, February 27, 2025 4:26:47 PM

I'm cautiously optimistic that we may finally be seeing spring starting to get going! 😄

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

I could feel the warmth in the sun today 


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Retron
Thursday, February 27, 2025 4:41:53 PM

Certainly going to be in like a lamb....

Personally I don't care if I don't see another flake of snow until Nov/Dec.

Originally Posted by: Col 

Move to the south, you can go years without seeing a flake of snow. Indeed, had my neighbour not been up and about at half past midnight earlier this year, I'd not have seen any this winter either. Snow on the ground is now a twice a decade event, if you're lucky.

As a snow-lover it's really most depressing!

And talking of the sun, the first 3s in the UV forecast are starting to appear... won't be long before sun cream is required if you're as white as I am!


Leysdown, north Kent
Col
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Thursday, February 27, 2025 5:13:59 PM

Whilst I wouldn't say that, snow beyond about mid-/late-Feb is a bit of a waste of time as it doesn't last.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome some decent March snow and 2013 certainly delivered on that score, I'm just equally not bothered if there's nothing more until next autumn/winter. I'm more interested in spring now.


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

doctormog
Thursday, February 27, 2025 5:17:10 PM

I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome some decent March snow and 2013 certainly delivered on that score, I'm just equally not bothered if there's nothing more until next autumn/winter. I'm more interested in spring now.

Originally Posted by: Col 

Me too, we have had about three weeks of lying snow here since the latter part of November and too much easterly anticyclonic gloom this month to last a year, so I am more than happy for some bright warm spring sunshine. The last few days have been lovely with lots of sunshine and light winds. The outlook seems pleasant and a bit warmer next week too which is a bonus. In like a lamb and out like a lamb suits me just fine!


Col
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Friday, February 28, 2025 4:49:25 PM

Move to the south, you can go years without seeing a flake of snow. Indeed, had my neighbour not been up and about at half past midnight earlier this year, I'd not have seen any this winter either. Snow on the ground is now a twice a decade event, if you're lucky.

As a snow-lover it's really most depressing!

And talking of the sun, the first 3s in the UV forecast are starting to appear... won't be long before sun cream is required if you're as white as I am!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

I'm not saying that I expect a reasonable fall in Nov/Dec (though I did last year in November) but late Nov/early Dec is the time when I would normally see my first snowflakes of the season, albeit normally a few sleety flakes.

It will be a while before I will need suncream although as someone who wears shorts most of the time (even in winter) this past couple of days I have noticed the glare of the sun off my pasty white legs!


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

johncs2016
Saturday, March 1, 2025 9:14:41 AM
Rather than start a brand new thread for the final winter statistics and since this thread is also a general discussion thread, I thought that it would be a good idea to post my final statistics for the winter on this thread instead.

If you have your final statistics for the winter in your area or wish to give some final thoughts on the winter which has just passed, you can still do that here but for everything else, I have started a brand new thread for this spring which should be used for that purpose instead of this one.

With all of that in mind, given below are the final winter statistics for Edinburgh Gogarbank from all of the data which I have available which are:

Temperature (°C)

Lowest Minimum:                                                                           -6.77 (on 9/1/25)

Highest Minimum:                                                                          10.74 (on 24/12/24)

Mean Minimum:                                                                              2.26

Minimum Anomaly:                                                                         +0.75

Lowest Maximum:                                                                          -0.56 (on 11/12/24)

Highest Maximum:                                                                         14.30 (on 17/12/24)

Mean Maximum:                                                                             7.85

Maximum Anomaly:                                                                       +0.71

Lowest Average:                                                                            -2.03 (on 10/1/25)

Highest Average:                                                                           12.22 (on 24/12/24)

Average Temperature:                                                                   5.05

Average Anomaly:                                                                          +0.72

Lowest Diurnal Temperature Range:                                           1.15 (on 29/12/24)

Highest Diurnal Temperature Range:                                          14.24 (on 6/2/25)

Average Diurnal Temperature Range:                                          5.59

Other Temperature Statistics

Minimum Temperatures Below -10°C:                                        0

Single Figures Maximum Temperatures:                                    59

Single Figures Minimum Temperatures:                                     63

Double Figures Maximum Temperatures:                                   30

Double Figures Minimum Temperatures:                                    1

Number of Frosts

Ground Frosts:                                                                              33

Air Frosts:                                                                                      26 (87.5% of 1991-2020 winter average)

Ice Days:                                                                                         1

Snow Depths (cm)

Highest Snow Depth:                                                                   0.0

Days With Lying Snow:                                                                 0

Days With Lying Snow at 09:00 UTC:                                        0

Rainfall (mm)

Total for winter:                                                                            173.0 (82.8% of 1991-2020 winter average)

Wettest Day:                                                                                 21.6 (on 30/12/24)

Highest Hourly Total:                                                                   5.6 (on 1/1/25 at 10:00)

Highest Ten Minute Total:                                                            2.4 (on 20/2/25 at 14:10)

Rain Days:                                                                                      28 (75.5% of 1991-2020 winter average)

Dry Days:                                                                                       45

Longest Dry Spell:                                                                        9 days (14/1 to 22/1)

Longest Non-Dry Spell:                                                               8 days (19/2 to 26/2)

Most Consecutive Rain Days:                                                      5 days (23/1 to 27/1)

Longest Period Without a Rain Day:                                           17 days (6/1 to 22/1)

Month with lowest rainfall total:                                                  February 2025: 35.8 (58.6% of 1991-2020 February average)

Month with highest rainfall total:                                                December 2024: 74.2 (99.1% of 1991-2020 December average)

Month with fewest rain days:                                                     January 2025: 7 (52.6% of 1991-2020 January average)

Month with most rain days:                                                        February 2025: 11 (102.8% of 1991-2020 February average)

Wind Speed (mph)

Average Mean Wind Speed:                                                      9.8 (92.1% of 1991-2020 winter average)

Highest Mean Wind Speed:                                                       45.6 (on 24/1/25)

Highest Wind Gust:                                                                    73.1 (on 24/1/25)

Most Common Wind Direction:                                                WSW

Pressure (mb)

Lowest Pressure:                                                                       959.0 (on 24/1/25)

Average Pressure:                                                                     1014.5

Highest Pressure:                                                                      1045.5 (on 6/2/25)

Sunshine Total (hrs)

Total for winter:                                                                         134.2 (82.5% of 1991-2020 winter average)

Sunniest Day:                                                                            8.0 (on 6/2/25)

Sunless Days:                                                                            34

Most Consecutive Sunless Days:                                            5 days (22/1 to 26/1, 9/2 to 13/2)

Month with lowest sunshine total:                                          December 2024: 20.1 (53.2% of 1991-2020 December average)

Month with highest sunshine total:                                        February 2025: 57.9 (74.7% of 1991-2020 February average)

Month with fewest sunless days:                                           February 2025: 9

Month with most sunless days:                                              December 2024: 13

Conclusion

The winter of 2024/25 began with our mildest December since 2015 and although January was colder than average, that ended up being our only colder than average month in a winter which was milder than average overall with a below average number of air frosts, and which was completely snowless here in NW Edinburgh despite the nearby hills getting quite a bit of snow in January with the southern outskirts of Edinburgh getting a little bit of that as well.

It was a drier than average winter overall with all three winter months being drier than average in terms of the actual rainfall amounts. In terms of the number of rain days, the winter of 2025 was also drier than overall but February had a slightly above average number of rain days although it was the only winter month with an above average number of rain days.

Finally, the winter of 2024/25 was duller than average overall with January being the only sunnier than average month, thus following the exact same pattern in that regard as the winter of 2023/24. 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

richardabdn
Saturday, March 1, 2025 10:22:37 AM
Another absolutely dire winter which I detested. Two separate spells of more than two weeks without frost for the first time since 2006/07 and only the second winter in the past decade with at least two snowless months. That really is saying something given how poor nearly all of them have been. 2019/20, which didn't have anything at all, was the only other one.

Horrific easterly gloom in February that was the worst winter spell in over 20 years and winter overall tied with 2018/19 as having the most double digit maxes in my records. Worst of all was the continued intensification of the ludicrous weekend curse which saw every single Sunday produce the same repulsive grey rubbish. There wasn't a single sunny one or anything approaching it. Completely without precedent.

The utter filth continues unabated with the worst possible start to Spring. This just feels like it's never going to end. Locked into this Weekend Curse hell constantly that never abates any more. It's become easier to get five decent weekdays on the trot than it has for both weekend days to be acceptable.

Five sunny weekdays sandwiched between a vile washout Sunday and a disgusting grey Saturday in which it's raining at 1029mb. Yet more wet high pressure that has become as much a theme lately as ghastly weekend weather.

Draining, dispiriting and depressing dross that feels as though it's being engineered by Satan.


Aberdeen: The only place that misses out on everything

2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November

2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits

2025 - The Weekend Curse hell intensifies

Jiries
Sunday, March 2, 2025 8:34:06 PM
Wall to wall sunshine today and yesteday almost too with hard frost yesterday morning all white everywhere and this morning as well but not like yesterday.  Temps in the conservatory wsa 0.5c to 30C as the doors was closed to 11am until i got up to open straight away to let the warmth to the house, today was 0.6c and 27.9C which made indoors very pleasant 22-23c except our bedroom facing north was 19C  Tonight it a bit warmer now as the house intents are slowly warming up.  I had my wardrobes and kitchen lower cabinets opened for few hours to get rid of the very cold air that trapped over winter months.  It made a difference now as the house no longer cool quickly in the evenings. Really want to end the heating usage this month at some point so to avoid it in April onward.  I also wore shorts from mid morning to 5pm since 28th Feb to now so nice to feel lighter wearing but back to long pants and jumper now.

Brian any chance to copy this to new Spring thread? Winter thread is over now.

johncs2016
Sunday, March 2, 2025 10:58:49 PM

...

Brian any chance to copy this to new Spring thread? Winter thread is over now.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

If a mod doesn't copy your post over to the new spring thread, you can always select all of the text from your own post and then copy that into the clipboard, create a new post on that other thread and then paste your text onto there before than submitting that as a new post.

If you're struggling to find that new spring thread, it can be found here .


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Brian Gaze
Monday, March 3, 2025 9:15:00 AM
CET data for winter 2024-25:

PlaceYearValueDecJanFeb1961-901971-001981-101991-201659-2020
120245.176.83.45.31.10.540.540.31.4


Brian Gaze

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Saint Snow
Monday, March 3, 2025 11:14:02 AM
A pretty nondescript winter overall.

A pleasantly cold snap in January gave MBY the deepest snow since March 2013 (but the competition wasn't exactly stiff!), and we had that snow lying for several days.

Otherwise, a couple of 'close but no cigar' setups and that was it.

Dec - 2/10

Jan - 6.5/10

Feb - 2/10

Overall - 4/10


Martin

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A TWO addict since 14/12/01

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Aneurin Bevan

Brian Gaze
Saturday, March 22, 2025 5:02:12 PM
TBH, I've just seen this now. It's interesting that despite the colder spells the winter as a whole was milder than the 1991-20 series in much of the UK.


Brian Gaze

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