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Northern Sky
04 February 2025 13:58:06
I've just been moving a few leaves that had fallen into my pond and I was surprised to find an adult newt (who quickly swam down in the deep end). I might be wrong but I thought newts returned to the pond in Spring to breed, rather than over wintering in the water?
Roger Parsons
04 February 2025 14:12:23

I've just been moving a few leaves that had fallen into my pond and I was surprised to find an adult newt (who quickly swam down in the deep end). I might be wrong but I thought newts returned to the pond in Spring to breed, rather than over wintering in the water?

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

That is the generally accepted view, NS, but in my experience newts are quite adapable. I've found them living well away from water, for example. Barring our cold snaps, it's been quite a mild winter overall, so I'm not surprised by your observation. This is a useful faq webpage: Amphibian and Reptile Conservation

https://www.arc-trust.org/newts-faqs 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Roger Parsons
12 February 2025 09:46:21
I enjoyed this Antarctic story. I always wanted to see the place. Too late now.

Antarctic engineers p-p-p-pick up a new team member

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8k9l9dkd8o 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Sasa
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13 February 2025 23:55:31
Fascinating story:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c2k5e14vwx4o 


Kingston Upon Thames
Windy Willow
14 February 2025 07:30:11

Fascinating story:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c2k5e14vwx4o 

Originally Posted by: Sasa 

A modern day Jonah!


South Holland, Lincs 5m/16ft ASL

When I saw corruption, I was forced to find truth on my own. I couldn't swallow the hypocrisy.

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It’s the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine) - R.E.M.

Roger Parsons
14 February 2025 08:02:43

A modern day Jonah!

Originally Posted by: Windy Willow 

A close shave!


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Roger Parsons
14 February 2025 10:57:15
An impressive sight this morning. We had heard from friends there were good numbers of mostly Whooper + some Bewick's swans down in the fen, so we drove across the Bardney causeway to see them. The herd was settled in a very black, recently-harvested and cultivated sugar beet field, 200+ swans, perhaps more like 300. Very chilly. Saint Hugh of Lincoln had a tame Whooper Swan.


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

DEW
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14 February 2025 21:25:19
Reported in the 'i' today - Red squirrels in Scotland are genetically very similar to each other; the narrow genetic base make it difficult for them to develop immunity to squirrelpox which is carried by greys.
War is God's way of teaching Americans geography - Ambrose Bierce

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StoneCroze
15 February 2025 07:23:50
Our gannets have arrived back, we have nearly 2% of the Atlantic population breeding locally, Spring not far away.
Alderney, Channel Islands. (previously known as Beaufort)
Devonian
16 February 2025 19:01:56
Did I mention (for any butterfly enthusiasts, Roger?) that I have found brown hairsteak eggs in our (untrimmed) hedges? At at 280M above sea level! Give nature a chance and it will respond.
fairweather
16 February 2025 23:45:28

Did I mention (for any butterfly enthusiasts, Roger?) that I have found brown hairsteak eggs in our (untrimmed) hedges? At at 280M above sea level! Give nature a chance and it will respond.

I just popped over from your mention in the other thread and in doing so was wondering if they were going to be brown hairstreaks. A beautiful butterfly when the sun catches the orange patch on the wings. First one I ever saw was in Steyning in Sussex I think and again in Surrey. Were the bushes blackthorn? Hope they hatch ok.

UserPostedImageBrown Hairstreak  by Dave C , on Flickr


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Devonian
17 February 2025 09:22:09

I just popped over from your mention in the other thread and in doing so was wondering if they were going to be brown hairstreaks. A beautiful butterfly when the sun catches the orange patch on the wings. First one I ever saw was in Steyning in Suffolk I think and again in Surrey. Were the bushes blackthorn? Hope they hatch ok.

UserPostedImageBrown Hairstreak  by Dave C , on Flickr

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Yes, blackthorn. But they lay eggs (which are easy to find) at the junction between 1 and 2 year old wood - it will be litchen free and clean.. And they seem to prefer fairly vigorous growth. Blackthorn is quite odd (at least around here) in that older shrubs grow really very slowly but suckers grow very rapidly. And trimmed hedges* grow just right for a few years...

As many will be aware trimming will trim off BH eggs. Otoh, if left untrimmed the blackthorn will lose vigor. So, all farmer need to do is to stop trimming hedges every year*. You can even get paid to do that - it's win win.

So why don't  all farmers do that? It beats me.

*it's not just about trimming because, even alternate years trimming, means you get a line in a hedge where it is topped to every time. In the end a hedge like that becomes a series of stumps.

The answer? Hedge laying. And you can get paid to do that too! Win, win, win.

fairweather
17 February 2025 11:34:15
Edited: Should of course been Steyning in Sussex, not Suffolk.
S.Essex, 42m ASL
four
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17 February 2025 16:32:37

 Win, win, win.

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

There'd be the major downside of having to deal with Natural England or someone else and its stuffed with people who have the same grotesquely antagonistic pious attitudes.

Cutting growth with flail if it's more than a year old results in spiky chunks that fly for yards and are spectacularly good at causing punctures.

Despite your odd opinion this is also a good way to get a hedge that resembles a line of stumps.

Blackthorn will create a wonderful dense stockproof barrier if trimmed annually.

The laying instead of flailing, well there are some advantages but it is quite a major disadvantage that to do say a 100 metre length would take days if not weeks and is frankly damned cold hard work especially if you aren't in the flush of youth.

Whereas it could be trimmed on a bitter winter day from a heated tractor cab in about ten minutes.

Then of course a hedge that has been laid isn't stockproof for several years so you also need fencing usually both sides which is several more days hours if not days of work and £100s in materials.

Hmmm tricky one.


Devonian
17 February 2025 16:38:52

There'd be the major downside of having to deal with Natural England or someone else and its stuffed with people who have the same grotesquely antagonistic pious attitudes.

Cutting growth with flail if it's more than a year old results in spiky chunks that fly for yards and are spectacularly good at causing punctures.

Despite your odd opinion this is also a good way to get a hedge that resembles a line of stumps.

Blackthorn will create a wonderful dense stockproof barrier if trimmed annually.

The laying instead of flailing, well there are some advantages but it is quite a major disadvantage that to do say a 100 metre length would take days if not weeks and is frankly damned cold hard work especially if you aren't in the flush of youth.

Whereas it could be trimmed on a bitter winter day from a heated tractor cab in about ten minutes.

Then of course a hedge that has been laid isn't stockproof for several years so you also need fencing usually both sides which is several more days hours if not days of work and £100s in materials.

Hmmm tricky one.

Originally Posted by: four 

We (to sneer back, sneering being your preferred language) aren't you 'the smart one' for not going for the Stewardship we did then....

Roger Parsons
17 February 2025 16:46:21
Four - The Lincolnshire saying under these conditions is "More runny noses than stannin' cocks!" or "Up to yer guts in squad!"
RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

DEW
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17 February 2025 18:05:46
AFAIK, you can get well-maintained and stockproof hedges by flailing, but only if you trim them to an 'A' shape so growth can regenerate from the base. Why farmers trim the sides vertically, I don't know, as it inevitably leads to a weak base and 'topknots'. Tidiness? Ease of flailing? Ignorance? Meanness in sacrificing a few feet of land? Too late now for most hedges.

I stand to be corrected and probably criticised into the bargain.


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Devonian
17 February 2025 18:14:59

AFAIK, you can get well-maintained and stockproof hedges by flailing, but only if you trim them to an 'A' shape so growth can regenerate from the base. Why farmers trim the sides vertically, I don't know, as it inevitably leads to a weak base and 'topknots'. Tidiness? Ease of flailing? Ignorance? Meanness in sacrificing a few feet of land? Too late now for most hedges.

I stand to be corrected and probably criticised into the bargain.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

I think what tends to happen is that trees and shrubs flailed to the same height every year obviously develop thicker stems and thus smaller growth gets crowded out. The tendency of for a hedge to become dominated by stems/trunks. I can see the effect on hedges where I live.

The other crucial point is that flailing every year cuts of both any eggs laid on last years new growth but (in the case of thorns) flowers too as flowers are not on new wood. But on our hedge, only flailed every other year, you can see last years blackthorn twigs are festooned with flowers.

Further, hedges that have been laid develop new growth at the base of the hedge by the hedgelaying cuts  - this thickens the hedge and invigorates it.

To be clear I AM NOT against flailing, but I am against flailing every year. I am also not against flailing roadside hedge every year - they need to be safe.

DEW
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17 February 2025 18:30:23
A dispassionate study though it takes time to absorb:

[color=var(--bs-body-color)]https://hedgelink.org.uk/cms/cms_content/files/74_the_economics_of_sustainable_hedge_cutting_%28cranfield_university_1995%29.pdf[/color]

and from [color=var(--bs-body-color)]https://www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0030/17598/SPECIFICATIONS-Hedgerow-management.pdf[/color]

Shape

An ‘A’ shaped or topped ‘A’ shaped hedge has advantages for wildlife. An ‘A’ shape

promotes thick growth at the hedge base which is important for food and shelter for

wildlife. A shaped hedges also provide an effective wind break, directing the wind over

the hedge. Tall, thick hedges with woody outgrowths are of the greatest value for

breeding birds. A rectangular shape normally means that one side of the hedge is

severely shaded, which will inhibit growth.


War is God's way of teaching Americans geography - Ambrose Bierce

Chichester 12m asl

Devonian
17 February 2025 18:44:02

A dispassionate study though it takes time to absorb:

[color=var(--bs-body-color)]https://hedgelink.org.uk/cms/cms_content/files/74_the_economics_of_sustainable_hedge_cutting_%28cranfield_university_1995%29.pdf[/color]

and from [color=var(--bs-body-color)]https://www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0030/17598/SPECIFICATIONS-Hedgerow-management.pdf[/color]

Shape

An ‘A’ shaped or topped ‘A’ shaped hedge has advantages for wildlife. An ‘A’ shape

promotes thick growth at the hedge base which is important for food and shelter for

wildlife. A shaped hedges also provide an effective wind break, directing the wind over

the hedge. Tall, thick hedges with woody outgrowths are of the greatest value for

breeding birds. A rectangular shape normally means that one side of the hedge is

severely shaded, which will inhibit growth.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Don't doubt it.

But, in my part of Devon 'A' shaped hedges are unusual as the hedge usually grows on some sort of rectangular soil/stone bank.

And for me (as I'm increasingly concerned about wildlife) it's to not flail all new growth off every year that is important.

NMA
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18 February 2025 07:50:46
I did an A Level study on telling the age of a hedge by the number of plant species within it. The more species, the older the hedge supposedly. At the time there was a theory that flaying hedges encouraged disease to enter through the flailed cut bits and that this would result within a few years of the death of all flayed British hedges.  I think there was some anthropomorphic theorising going on here with flailed cuts being similar to rough chops on human flesh and thus easier for disease to enter the entity. Or something like that. A bit like it was popular not so long ago to paint over the wood saw cuts to stop disease organisms entering tree branches. Fruit trees in particular. Now largely debunked I believe. You could buy tins of special paint to brush over these cuts.

But as the years passed after flails become standard pieces of farm equipment, this appeared not to be the case. Flailed hedges regrew perfectly well whether flailed or trimmed with a reciprocating cutter.

You can certainly notice the skill set of flail operators from the way hedges look after a trim.

Some operators are botched butchers and make a mess of the job. Occasionally I’ll come across an incredibly neat A shaped hedge. A classic in TLC as you go through Affpuddle to the Puddletown bypass near me.

A real mess of a cut though as you head towards Osmington from the Owermoigne bypass. Most of you won’t know these of course but they are there and I’m sure you can see plenty of examples of both if you drive around. But yes I would agree for certain butterflies you need to trim on a two year basis. It can be achieved well enough if staggered.


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Devonian
18 February 2025 09:04:22
I went to a talk about hedgerows recently that was, loosely, based upon the leaflet in the link. It was all very enlightening and it further convinced me that flailing isn't good for long term hedge viability - at least from a hedges being linear nature reserves and corridors perspective..

https://ptes.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Healthy-hedgerows-on-your-land-leaflet-2023.pdf 

Roger Parsons
18 February 2025 09:28:05

I went to a talk about hedgerows recently that was, loosely, based upon the leaflet in the link. It was all very enlightening and it further convinced me that flailing isn't good for long term hedge viability - at least from a hedges being linear nature reserves and corridors perspective..

https://ptes.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Healthy-hedgerows-on-your-land-leaflet-2023.pdf 

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

Folks may not appreciate that some bats use hedgerows for navigation in otherwise featureless agricultural landscapes, and breaks in familiar hedges are from their pov a bloody nuisance. One example:

https://www.devonwildlifetrust.org/sites/default/files/2021-01/Hedges.pdf 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

NMA
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18 February 2025 10:39:52
There is an interesting double layered hedge (work in progress) in one of the Devon pictures. It's the incredible labour you need to do this that’s an issue.


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South Dorset

Elevation 60m 197ft

Roger Parsons
19 February 2025 07:58:57
Following on from my posts about Black-headed Gulls - I have noted the following behaviour in our local "flock". They patrol the area regularly, in particular those places where there are likely to be "rich pickings". Our garden is one - we are always under surveillence. One or two stay perched in the area on roofs and chimneys about the village - alert for action. They know my routine, the the sound of unlocking the back door or drawing of a curtain. They know me by sight and call to say when I'm about. If I throw some scraps onto the lawn a whirlwind of gulls moves in immediately, screaming.  They all try to get a piece of food but there's always one or two who take things to a new level. They are not content to take their turn and get their share. Instead they land and try to grab as much food as they can, sometimes 10x what others manage to do.


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

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