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BJBlake
Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:00:47 AM

Good agreement at t+168. The number of rain spikes on the GEFS has been falling in recent updates too, so it looks like there could be some fairly pleasant weather on the way in parts of the UK.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Ah! But Is warm ramping a dangerous game? LOL!! The warmth may be modelled away before it arrives, as per the GFS Control 0z, - it is a little amusing to consider that if us model watchers loved mild weather As much as snowy cold, whether we would be bereft that the (Faux) cold keeps on hanging on: but if I was to place a bet, I’d say, anticipation of warmth was a far safer bet than expecting an easterly to deliver sort of snowy weather that we once knew as normal. 


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Brian Gaze
Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:15:55 AM

Ah! But Is warm ramping a dangerous game? LOL!! The warmth may be modelled away before it arrives, as per the GFS Control 0z, - it is a little amusing to consider that if us model watchers loved mild weather As much as snowy cold, whether we would be bereft that the (Faux) cold keeps on hanging on: but if I was to place a bet, I’d say, anticipation of warmth was a far safer bet than expecting an easterly to deliver sort of snowy weather that we once knew as normal. 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

It may not be particularly warm, but there could be some pleasant walking weather next week. 


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Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:42:08 AM
WX average temp charts have loaded this morning! Week 1 fairly cold for W Europe except the far SW (Ireland, W France, Spain) but a big retreat E-wards and SE-wards in week 2 to Russia and Turkey. 

GFS Op 00z: after an early cold waft across the N Sea, the Atlantic takes over with LP staying off the W of Ireland, and generating S/SW-lies, often strong for Britain to Sun 23rd - mild in the S, later on entraining something colder for the NW. From Mon 24th pressure drops across Britain bringing cooler conditions and by Fri 28th the LP has moved to Iceland 955mb with strong cool W-lies for all.

ECM: not far from GFS; the initial cold in the east hangs on a day longer; the cooler air for the NW gets entrained earlier and by Sat 22nd it looks very mild for the S with a steep temp gradient to N Scotland.

GEM: like GFS with the addition of a trough moving quickly N-wards in the general Atlantic circulation Sat 22nd

GEFS: becoming mild around Fri 21st (slower to develop in the far NE) before slowly  dropping back to norm by Sat 1st, good ens agreement. Rain starting generally about the 21st (a couple of days earlier in the N) but in moderate amounts. 

I'm away for the weekend - reviews may be briefer, at odd times or non-existent


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Rob K
Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:48:21 AM
GEFS charts have tightened up the scatter and there is now 100% agreement for no cold uppers reaching London before the end of Feb. The whole thing was a mirage. 
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Jiries
Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:36:32 AM

GEFS charts have tightened up the scatter and there is now 100% agreement for no cold uppers reaching London before the end of Feb. The whole thing was a mirage. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Massive difference between London very warm uppers and very cold uppers in Nicosia, this morning they are firming up for a major cold spell over the E Med, reason why the cold air cannot get to the UK for some reason decided to go to E Med, Greece and Turkey.  Seem to last for a week before it fizzle out for Spring season.  

Agreed the whole thing as a mirage but never a mirage if you are in another country especially Greece and Turkey when a cold spell come it comes without hitch.

Matty H
Thursday, February 13, 2025 10:55:45 AM

GEFS charts have tightened up the scatter and there is now 100% agreement for no cold uppers reaching London before the end of Feb. The whole thing was a mirage. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I think it’s only really/mainly Q that’s kept this going (not a criticism as this is what the thread is for), but most others gave up on this probably a week ago


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Quantum
Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:15:10 AM

I think it’s only really/mainly Q that’s kept this going (not a criticism as this is what the thread is for), but most others gave up on this probably a week ago

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

I'm still here too. The 6zs were a downgrade across the board, but even so, at least insofar as the 0Zs were concerned the milder air doesn't arrive until at least T+120h, which suggests there is a chance for meaningful upgrades before it does.


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18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

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18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

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29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

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18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Thursday, February 13, 2025 4:17:49 PM
Almost over

Poor for snow, except nov/jan for the north.

A bust for all LRFs, colder than average, no such "exceptional" mildness at all especially Feb


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Brian Gaze
Thursday, February 13, 2025 4:22:33 PM

Almost over

Poor for snow, except nov/jan for the north.

A bust for all LRFs, colder than average, no such "exceptional" mildness at all especially Feb

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

According to the UK Met December was 2.2°C above the long term average and January was -0.9°C below it. February is at the halfway mark tomorrow.


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MRazzell
Thursday, February 13, 2025 5:18:47 PM

Almost over

Poor for snow, except nov/jan for the north.

A bust for all LRFs, colder than average, no such "exceptional" mildness at all especially Feb

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

There are over 2 weeks left of February and GFS 12z is showing 2m temps across central England pushing 16c in a weeks' time. Thats more than 7c above the average for the time of year.

The models can change of course but they've been fairly consistent with this mild spell and its now falling within the reliable timeframe. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, February 13, 2025 5:40:01 PM

There are over 2 weeks left of February and GFS 12z is showing 2m temps across central England pushing 16c in a weeks' time. Thats more than 7c above the average for the time of year.

The models can change of course but they've been fairly consistent with this mild spell and its now falling within the reliable timeframe. 

Originally Posted by: MRazzell 

Yes hopefully we can count this down to verify. Very strong signal now for some early warmth. 

 

 


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Thursday, February 13, 2025 6:14:57 PM

Yes hopefully we can count this down to verify. Very strong signal now for some early warmth. 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

There's been a strong signal since November from met contingency.

If it turns  up last week of winter ,it's a win? Pffft


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tierradelfuego
Thursday, February 13, 2025 7:06:39 PM
Think it's time to get the shorts out and see if the BBQ still works based on the 12z Op, 15c to 16c late next week widely if that verifies.

As long as it's also sunny, Jiries and I'm sure many of us including myself will be happy with that!


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doctormog
Thursday, February 13, 2025 7:09:55 PM

Think it's time to get the shorts out and see if the BBQ still works based on the 12z Op, 15c to 16c late next week widely if that verifies.

As long as it's also sunny, Jiries and I'm sure many of us including myself will be happy with that!

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 

On that note (for the two mildest days):

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_174_24.png 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_198_24.png 


Jiries
Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:49:31 PM

Think it's time to get the shorts out and see if the BBQ still works based on the 12z Op, 15c to 16c late next week widely if that verifies.

As long as it's also sunny, Jiries and I'm sure many of us including myself will be happy with that!

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 

I do hope it come off those temps and it normal for Feb max highest 14-15C per year.  Disaster day 7 no sun but almost tried to pop out but so nasty clouds not having it and greedy to enjoy the sun themselves, idiots.  

Refering to warmer seas causing more clouds is not possible because other countries with warmer sea temps like the tropics have sun allowances and not overcast forever type.  For sure once the sun out it will be blinding bright, more noticable daylight length big increase since last week sunny day.

Ensembles still showing deep cold heading to E Med and Cyprus, i mean deep cold for their standard levels while here firming up on the milder side.

Bertwhistle
Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:26:49 PM

I'm still here too. The 6zs were a downgrade across the board, but even so, at least insofar as the 0Zs were concerned the milder air doesn't arrive until at least T+120h, which suggests there is a chance for meaningful upgrades before it does.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Well said Q.

Interested in the 100% prophecies- in maths, that means not possible the other way.


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The Beast from the East
Friday, February 14, 2025 1:15:56 AM

I do hope it come off those temps and it normal for Feb max highest 14-15C per year.  Disaster day 7 no sun but almost tried to pop out but so nasty clouds not having it and greedy to enjoy the sun themselves, idiots.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Looking forward to it, if it happens.  I'm fed up of this chilly dank crap. I just hope it can hold and we dont get a return to the Atlantic rain storms 


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The Beast from the East
Friday, February 14, 2025 1:19:16 AM

I think it’s only really/mainly Q that’s kept this going (not a criticism as this is what the thread is for), but most others gave up on this probably a week ago

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

We had those 2 ECM ops in a row which showed a bitter easterly and some good looking UKMO charts, but of course it was never going to happen, we always lose


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fairweather
Friday, February 14, 2025 1:29:23 AM
Yep, pretty certain it will be another snowless winter here. I expect we will see a day or so at some point during March and April but nothing on the ground that will last more than a day. It will be nice to see the back of the most sunless winter ever here (well it certainly seemed that way). In fact I can't think of anything interesting about it except for some briefly in parts of the North and some of the theoretical models did their annual thing with the same annual response.
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tallyho_83
Friday, February 14, 2025 2:06:55 AM

Looking forward to it, if it happens.  I'm fed up of this chilly dank crap. I just hope it can hold and we dont get a return to the Atlantic rain storms 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Not to mention cold rain. It's been the winter of cold rain 🌧 4c with heavy rain as I type. Yuck 🤮 back to models. Would you believe that only a few days ago the ECM went for an easterly next week??


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Retron
Friday, February 14, 2025 4:09:56 AM
A proper "lazy wind" today, as we've picked up a dry Continental feed. In theory that should bring a decent amount of sunshine later.

2.7, dew 0.1, the overnight low so far also being 2.7. Yesterday's high was 4.7.


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Friday, February 14, 2025 6:07:17 AM

A proper "lazy wind" today, as we've picked up a dry Continental feed. In theory that should bring a decent amount of sunshine later.

2.7, dew 0.1, the overnight low so far also being 2.7. Yesterday's high was 4.7.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

WX temp charts - generally cool for W Europe in week 1 (incl Britain, excl Spain), the freezing boundary along the Franco-German border. This boundary pulls back to the other side of Germany in week 2, W Europe is milder and the cold air is diverted down to Turkey. New quite large patch of very cold appears in C Russia. Some pptn in E Med week 1, else mainly dry; in week 2 the Atlantic coasts from Britain to Portugal are wet.

GFS Op 00z: to start with, Britain is sandwiched between LP on Atlantic and a persistent block of cold air near or S of the Baltic with mainly light S-ly winds to Friday 21st and looking mild. The general S/SW-ly for Britain is maintained through to Sun 2nd even as pressure rises over C/N Europe and the cold air is shunted S-wards to Turkey, (but LP grazing NW Scotland Fri 21st and Wed 26th)

ECM - like GFS but Lp on Atlantic is closer  to Britain and SW-lies stronger  esp Thu 20th before drawing back.

GEFS - temps rising to mild or very mild Fri 21st (7 or 8C above norm) before dropping back to norm, good ens agreement, but cool/cold in NE at fiirst. Rain in most runs from 21st, a few days earlier in Scotland, heavy and more persistent in SW England.


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doctormog
Friday, February 14, 2025 7:08:14 AM

Yep, pretty certain it will be another snowless winter here. I expect we will see a day or so at some point during March and April but nothing on the ground that will last more than a day. It will be nice to see the back of the most sunless winter ever here (well it certainly seemed that way). In fact I can't think of anything interesting about it except for some briefly in parts of the North and some of the theoretical models did their annual thing with the same annual response.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Out of curiosity, how would define “brief”?

A few more days of cool easterly muck look likely, but then something much milder looks likely. Hopefully it will be accompanied by some sunshine.


BJBlake
Friday, February 14, 2025 7:13:49 AM
Finally real cold in Eastern Europe, and it gets so Tantalisingly  close - but misses the UK. This time no advection opportunity, and another export of UK snow potential to Greece. 

The spring warmth potential has no problem verifying, and we should see a taste of spring, emerging brimstones a month early, all the Historically mid march growth - the lords and ladies, cow parsley, early nettle heads, day lilies and irises in the garden, the later bulbs (bluebells, daff’s etc) all burst forward into full leaf, With first bee-flies buzzing about.  

All that prolonged rather-cold weather, and gloom, with easterly, but no cold air to our east, and not a flake of snow falling any lower than 300m. What a waste of a really rare set-up, and makes you feel, that the best chance of seeing snowfall in the UK, is now the even more rare screaming northerly Arctic blast, with significant channel undercut low or a polar low down the N. Sea. 

But for that we are into Blue moon territory and many an FI mirage. 

Well, there’s always the footie and the fishing to look forward to I suppose. I just wanted to see a flake or two of lowland snow before it really does get too warm for that to be anything but a 1:100 year event.


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Ally Pally Snowman
Friday, February 14, 2025 7:25:04 AM
Spring still on course to arrive next week.  Mid maybe even high teens. Need some significant sunshine for high teens though.
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