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Matty H
11 February 2025 00:25:00

Good if the from the west more chance of sunny days between lows.  East winds don’t allow sunny clearance for some reason.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

I’ll be dead honest - sunny days don’t leap off the page at me on the current output. 


Yate, Nr Bristol

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Ally Pally Snowman
11 February 2025 06:43:30
GFS offers hope for Spring,  if it isn't going to snow which looks unlikely now let's have some warmth please. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
11 February 2025 07:25:39
The UKMO this morning is especially one for Spring lovers.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ukmhd&var=2&run=0&time=168&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
nsrobins
11 February 2025 07:28:18

GFS offers hope for Spring,  if it isn't going to snow which looks unlikely now let's have some warmth please. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

There’s 4 members going sub -10, an increase on yesterday. 

(This is not a forecast, just an observation, and doesn’t represent the opinions of sensible person who can see the chances of a ‘proper’ easterly have faded to almost zero)


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Ally Pally Snowman
11 February 2025 07:32:25

There’s 4 members going sub -10, an increase on yesterday. 

(This is not a forecast, just an observation, and doesn’t represent the opinions of sensible person who can see the chances of a ‘proper’ easterly have faded to almost zero)

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Yes we are are still getting thrown some cold crumbs ,GEM Control this morning as well, but it will be quite the flip now if it happens. 


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BJBlake
11 February 2025 07:49:25
I think that with the jet stream so far to the north but tracking without much amplification from west to east, the slack HP over Scandinavia has no Arctic origin or source.  This set up IMO would still have produced east coast snow showers in the period 1960-1987, because the SSTs would be lower and the background globe was  (in this period) 0.2 - 0.4 degrees above pre-industrial times, and generally there was more cold air about to our east than we have today.  I remember a similar set up in the 1970s and we got several days of snow grains, sometimes settling, And producing a cm or so, and sometimes not and on the verge of turning to drizzle, but this was lowland Sussex. We ended the cold spell back then with a decent snow shower, before the Atlantic returned, a day or two later. There has to be a true cold source, for the advection to occur. You can see on the BBC forecast, how the snow showers over northern Germany curl into the N sea and turn to rain due to the high sea temps, so the snow level is 300m by the time it reaches the UK.

The GFS )z op is teasing a return of another Scandi HP around the 27th Feb in FI, and this is shown to have a small pool of sub -15 air at 850Hpa. If that verifies, I’ll eat my hat, but its going to keep me checking in....


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Brian Gaze
11 February 2025 08:01:41
I suddenly thought of the "Kettley high" when I was out running earlier this morning. The lead-in is different but the outcome could be similar. 
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Jiries
11 February 2025 08:21:42

There’s 4 members going sub -10, an increase on yesterday. 

(This is not a forecast, just an observation, and doesn’t represent the opinions of sensible person who can see the chances of a ‘proper’ easterly have faded to almost zero)

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

The reason we not getting subzero temps is also less cold over Scandinavia like Rovaniemi I have on my app showing very high at 1C today for that location.  They will see temps finally drop to normal -14 day and -20C night after 1 week last seen that low when we had early cold Jan start.   If this persist and models same time start showing deep cold runs of well below -10C or even better-15C and finally COUNT down time stamp and no DELAY effect then we might get last chance BFTE to strike before Feb out . If all fail then a chase for exit of less cold rainy Easterly and look for spring warmth. 

nsrobins
11 February 2025 08:50:09

I suddenly thought of the "Kettley high" when I was out running earlier this morning. The lead-in is different but the outcome could be similar. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The infamous Kettley high. ‘That’ ECM and it was reined in to 96hrs only for the deep CAA to shift north at the death. I think Scotland did OK.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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11 February 2025 08:56:05
GFS Op 00z: HP lasting over Scandinavia for a few days with continuing faux cold from the SE, but transferring to N Atlantic Thu 13th and extending a ridge S-wards into the N Sea. Britain is than sandwiched between LPs on the Atlantic and over Russia; a potentially unstable situation but ATM shown as lasting to Tue 18th, with the Atlantic LP steadily encroaching (and maybe something milder from the south?). From then to Tue 25th, the Atlantic LP takes control, sitting somewhere near Rockall and generating strong winds/gales from the SW, notably long-fetch gales for all Mon 24th. It then collapses and by Thu 27th the Baltic HP is back, propelling the remains of some rather cold air from E Europe across S Britain.

ECM: resembles GFS to Tue 18th when there is a general fall of pressure for Britain and NW Europe, cutting off any SW-lies and returning to the present nondescript weather; the main LP stays well out on the Atlantic.

GEM: similar to ECM but by Fri 21st the Atlantic LP is closer to Scotland than shown by ECM

GEFS: temps rising to slightly above norm, esp milder around Tue 18th in the SE, (less visible in the N, indeed quite cold in the far N at this time) with the mean well supported by the majority of ens members but four or five (of 33) always there to suggest something much colder. Small amounts of rain to the 18th when it sets in and becomes quite heavy through to Thu 27th (but earlier and heavier in the SW). 


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Quantum
11 February 2025 09:02:42
ICON6Z looks very different at T+50 hours, I don't know in a good way or a bad way yet but the SLP and 500hpa is very different for such a short lead.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

soperman
11 February 2025 09:22:06
If it's any consolation, they have got it very wrong in Belgium at +24hrs.  Heavy snow in Zomergem (just outside Gent) this morning with 8cm so far.  Not sure how to send clip from WhatsApp received from my very excited daughter - only a cm covering in January so far this year.  
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The Beast from the East
11 February 2025 09:38:33

ICON6Z looks very different at T+50 hours, I don't know in a good way or a bad way yet but the SLP and 500hpa is very different for such a short lead.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

time to move on now I think. Its over


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11 February 2025 09:44:57
Reminds me of the scene in "no country for old men", Javier Bardem just saying "Just call it"


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warrenb
11 February 2025 10:02:55
To be honest, if anyone looked at the 300hpa wind charts you could see the jet was always going north, it then cuts south just as the high has retrogressed to far north and west. The 300 hpa's had always shown this. Now if the models have the timing of the retrogression wrong then you could see a big swing back, it is all in the timing of the retrogression and the jet digging south
Jiries
11 February 2025 10:03:19

time to move on now I think. Its over

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Hat off to Taylor1740 who was very right to call off couple of days ago.  No signs of cold over the 00z ensembles just less cold to average to slightly above.  It been record wet and dull 5 days now compare to last month storm that brought short lived rain and follow by 2 near sunny days and very low humidity was my highlight of this winter.

Models had been very poorly wrong, so bad and so worse now than before.   That time they were firming 10th Feb benchmark for the deep cold to come here, and today should be snow showers and sunny spells in between.

Rob K
11 February 2025 10:09:22
Looking at the current pressure chart in isolation you would think we were in a decent wintry spell with more to come but instead it's just grey and damp and the radio weather is saying "a cold day with highs in London of just 6C", which apparently passes for cold in February these days.

It's quite fascinating watching how the pressure patterns snake around doing anything they can to keep any cold air away from the UK. "Yes let's just randomly build a lobe of high pressure over Germany for no reason, that will cut off the cold nicely!"

At 120 hours you could cast a fishing line from Bridlington and hook the -10C isotherm before it all vanishes eastwards again.


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Rob K
11 February 2025 10:15:26
If you need me, I'll be looking at the JMA 0Z run...
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Matty H
11 February 2025 10:22:01

Hat off to Taylor1740 who was very right to call off couple of days ago.  No signs of cold over the 00z ensembles just less cold to average to slightly above.  It been record wet and dull 5 days now compare to last month storm that brought short lived rain and follow by 2 near sunny days and very low humidity was my highlight of this winter.

Models had been very poorly wrong, so bad and so worse now than before.   That time they were firming 10th Feb benchmark for the deep cold to come here, and today should be snow showers and sunny spells in between.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Well, the models have been split and are now firming up, so not wrong as such, just….. unsure

I’ll go back to what I said days ago. You just know. No science, just experience and percentage chances based on historical outcomes. 


Yate, Nr Bristol

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Windy Willow
11 February 2025 10:25:20

Looking at the current pressure chart in isolation you would think we were in a decent wintry spell with more to come but instead it's just grey and damp and the radio weather is saying "a cold day with highs in London of just 6C", which apparently passes for cold in February these days.

It's quite fascinating watching how the pressure patterns snake around doing anything they can to keep any cold air away from the UK. "Yes let's just randomly build a lobe of high pressure over Germany for no reason, that will cut off the cold nicely!"

At 120 hours you could cast a fishing line from Bridlington and hook the -10C isotherm before it all vanishes eastwards again.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Is 6c not cold then? If not, is it now mild? To my mind 6c is cold as you can have your fridge set to that just fine for keeping food "cold" unless I'm missing something. 🤷‍♀️


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nsrobins
11 February 2025 10:41:30

Is 6c not cold then? If not, is it now mild? To my mind 6c is cold as you can have your fridge set to that just fine for keeping food "cold" unless I'm missing something. 🤷‍♀️

Originally Posted by: Windy Willow 

It’s relative. 6C is a few degrees below the mean for Feb so nothing exceptional. 2C would be ‘cold’ normally but these are new times we live in.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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idj20
11 February 2025 10:45:49

Is 6c not cold then? If not, is it now mild? To my mind 6c is cold as you can have your fridge set to that just fine for keeping food "cold" unless I'm missing something. 🤷‍♀️

Originally Posted by: Windy Willow 

I'd class 6 C as being "chilly", "cool" or "slightly below average" but not cold. My idea of a cold day is 2 C and below. "Very cold" would be a max of -5 C. 

Anyway, back to the models, looks like the same old stalemate for about a week before the Atlantic stuff head our way. By that point it then becomes a case of hoping for not too much in the way of wetness or storminess but will feel pleasantly mild in any bright breaks we get to have.


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Windy Willow
11 February 2025 10:47:29

It’s relative. 6C is a few degrees below the mean for Feb so nothing exceptional. 2C would be ‘cold’ normally but these are new times we live in.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

So it's still cold then, ok. I thought Rob k was implying that 6c wasn't cold so thanks for the clarification 👍

I couldn't fathom that it was meant to mean mild, as that made no sense. That's why I had to ask.


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Gandalf The White
11 February 2025 10:52:40

Is 6c not cold then? If not, is it now mild? To my mind 6c is cold as you can have your fridge set to that just fine for keeping food "cold" unless I'm missing something. 🤷‍♀️

Originally Posted by: Windy Willow 

It’s all about terminology, isn’t it, and I seem to recall we’ve had this discussion in this Forum before. The words when used to describe the weather are describing conditions relative to what is normal for the time of year.  Your fridge at 6c is at its normal temperature: if it was 10c or 1c you’d call out an engineer because it wasn’t normal…. 🙂

In January and February the typical daily maximum for my location should be around 7c, so arguably 6c isn’t cold, it’s around average. London is a degree or so higher, so it’s a couple of degrees below normal. 


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ballamar
11 February 2025 10:54:41
Only 2 perts clinging on in GEFS for the original cold. Looks like bog standard winter weather coming up now. Not long until the search for some sun and warmth search. GEM control would have been a good farewell to winter

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