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UncleAlbert
07 February 2025 00:20:04

No, I'm working... but yes there are a few tasty charts around. As always they only appear in the latter stages - if they eye candy from last week had come to pass then we should be seeing charts like that this weekend...

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Last week's didn't have a Greenland block though.  This one looks pretty close to a best case scenario taking into account all recent runs.  This one always seems to be lurking in the shadows though.  Tomorrow.....  time for coming out? !

The Beast from the East
07 February 2025 01:57:41

Anyone just got in from the pub? There’s a classic run waiting for you 😉. And if the OP doesn’t quite do it for you, try the Control.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Yes! Sadly ECM is a downer though and seems to have backing from its ens


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The Beast from the East
07 February 2025 01:59:28

Hi to all on here, I have not been posting over here for a very long time, but to those who remember me and know me, then respectfully look at this post.

Today's 12z GFS, ECMWF and UKMO Models are showing good signs of decent Cold BFTE, particularly from Monday 10th to Friday 13th, with a less Cold Friday for the South and SW of the UK on Friday 14th, Good chance for some Wintry showers and Cold Beast from the East winds.

Anyway for now I am looking forwards to a decent Cold and frosty spell of weather next week.

And I had a look at the Reply on January 2023 from Lionel Hutz you replied with a thank you good friend.

I hope City Andy is still here and if he reads this message please convey my kind regards to him as well, thank you.

Thanks for any comments you are welcome.

Originally Posted by: LA2B MeridFlowEuro09 

Great to see you back !


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Retron
07 February 2025 04:41:24

You forgotten 2018? It doesn’t matter if it’s feb march if the deep cold penetrates across the North Sea some of these snowdrifts in recent times was march bfte

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 

2018 was special as it had both record cold 850s and record low thicknesses for the time of year. It was a complete one-off and I doubt you'll ever see the likes again.


Leysdown, north Kent
Snowedin3
07 February 2025 06:16:20
Morning, the gefs are not without interest for longer term cold this morning! Despite the op run which does get there in the end.
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sunny coast
07 February 2025 06:46:16

2018 was special as it had both record cold 850s and record low thicknesses for the time of year. It was a complete one-off and I doubt you'll ever see the likes again.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

March 2013 was  incredible as well the coldest for some 50 years 

Jiries
07 February 2025 07:08:41

Morning, the gefs are not without interest for longer term cold this morning! Despite the op run which does get there in the end.

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 

I read over NW and notice it kept delaying the deep cold so it better to cancel this phantom deep cold to bring early Spring warmth.  I don’t deal with delays, less cold temps and overcast skies. Totally hate this less cold to average easterly temps as it been the same since November.  Like to see some proper range of deep cold to mid teen temps variations.

Hippydave
07 February 2025 07:51:40
Not a lot of changes this morning if you look at the ops, other than a creep towards a less promising setup by the UKMO.

The GEFS though are definitely more interesting with a move towards a colder solution longer term, albeit still with the milder (at 850 level) cluster too. Just one run and one model but worth quirking an eyebrow at. Will wait for the ECM set to see what that shows.

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Retron
07 February 2025 08:04:21
FWIW the 0z GEFS has two members below -15C for London. That's the first time we've seen that since 2018 (when all 21 members reached -16).


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
07 February 2025 08:14:09

FWIW the 0z GEFS has two members below -15C for London. That's the first time we've seen that since 2018 (when all 21 members reached -16).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Wow, stat of the day.

GFS 0z ensembles definitely have that look about them that they maybe picking up something significant. 


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Matty H
07 February 2025 08:39:02

Last week's didn't have a Greenland block though.  This one looks pretty close to a best case scenario taking into account all recent runs.  This one always seems to be lurking in the shadows though.  Tomorrow.....  time for coming out? !

Originally Posted by: UncleAlbert 

No support from ECM. Everyone knows what happens next. Just a matter of time. 


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07 February 2025 08:54:39
WX temp charts: Week 1 below average for W Europe with small freezing patches over mountains incl Scotland, E Europe freezing but not as cold as might be expected. Week 2, W Europe becomes a little milder, but a large area of very cold air moves into E Russia. Week 1 dry for Europe but some rain in W Med; week 2 most of Europe slight pptn, heavy for Portugal and Ireland.

GFS Op 00z: HP 1045 later 1030mb persisting over Scandinavia and/or W Russia to Fri 14th with an easterly cast to the weather; small cold pools drift across Britain, even a small trough tomorrow, but as the week goes by the cold feed from the east gets mixed with S-lies as LP deepens 955mb mid-Atlantic. After a muddled couple of days, HP resumes from Iceland to Norway 1040mb Wed 19th with some more direct and rather cold E-lies from Sat 21st (for these E-lies, the ultimate source of air is N Russia, not Greece)

ECM and GEM: like GFS

GEFS: in the S temps near or close to norm to Sat 15th when ens members split evenly between mild (5C above norm) and very cold (8c below), almost none supporting the mean; the op switches from mild to very cold Thu 20th. Small amounts of mostly rain throughout, snow row figures suggest wintry on higher ground. In Scotland/NE England, generally cooler at first then the same split from 15th, pptn mostly around Wed 12th and after Wed 19th, fair chance of snow on lower ground and thus pretty certain for the hills. 


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Jiries
07 February 2025 09:26:12

FWIW the 0z GEFS has two members below -15C for London. That's the first time we've seen that since 2018 (when all 21 members reached -16).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Same to Nuneaton ensembles and there quite a lot of -10C runs as well. If we want to see this to happen, No 1 no delays allowed, No 2, see the countdown on date line, No3 to bring more lines down to -10 to -15C.  Nicosia trend is to get back to average and then get warmer so meaning SE Europe and the E Med will get a bit warmer so the cold air have to go somewhere than going to Greece and Turkey, is to head to UK with much needed subzero temps.

Arbroath 1320
07 February 2025 09:30:22
The GEFS 0z have a look of 'don't have a clue what's going to happen' about them.
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UncleAlbert
07 February 2025 10:01:05

No support from ECM. Everyone knows what happens next. Just a matter of time. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

As I said.  Best case scenario.  

Many milder options on the table based on the last 24 hours output.

Quantum
07 February 2025 10:18:18
On the GFS6Z, we finally have a broad pattern that supports genuinely cold air coming in.

I'd say its going to get there eventually but even if it doesn't, there is a good chance things could slide more at the end of the week anyway.

Alot to be pleased about. Keep the faith.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Ally Pally Snowman
07 February 2025 10:31:07
Ecm ensembles have a few going cold enough to take notice of, but most are not cold.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=ecm&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
07 February 2025 10:36:00
I've just added a preset on Animator (now on most of the model pages) to generate 00Z and 12Z t+168 animations which shows the 500hPa output from the deterministic models.  Currently: ICON-G, UK Met Global, ECM IFS, GFS and GEM.  Just select the "Determ t+168 500hPas 00Z" or "Determ t+168 500hPas 00Z", set the speed and press animate. IMO t+168 is as far as it is worth looking at the deterministic and it also happens to be the limit of the UK Met Global.

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Gandalf The White
07 February 2025 10:37:33

No support from ECM. Everyone knows what happens next. Just a matter of time. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

A continuing cold theme is not without support from the ECM ensemble suite though?

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/ecmwfens_display.php?x=0&y=0&ville=Londres&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&type=2&mode=1 


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



ballamar
07 February 2025 10:42:02
If/when we do get an easterly it’s going to be painful to get there!
Taylor1740
07 February 2025 10:57:24

A continuing cold theme is not without support from the ECM ensemble suite though?

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/ecmwfens_display.php?x=0&y=0&ville=Londres&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&type=2&mode=1 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

There's very little support there for anything properly cold though that would generate interest, therefore I think I'm calling time on this Winter now as we still haven't seen any kind of confidence for a much colder pattern and anything interesting keeps getting pushed back.


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ballamar
07 February 2025 11:07:18

There's very little support there for anything properly cold though that would generate interest, therefore I think I'm calling time on this Winter now as we still haven't seen any kind of confidence for a much colder pattern and anything interesting keeps getting pushed back.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

This sort of comment loses you every ounce of credibility!

Quantum
07 February 2025 11:19:18
P24 seems to be the best one.

Shows how this could easily get quite interesting.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
07 February 2025 11:20:56
At T+192 none of the ensembles have the atlantic convincingly breaking through. Even those that turn it a bit milder have cold air nearby.

And now we have a chance at a proper snow event from a slider.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Gandalf The White
07 February 2025 11:31:47

There's very little support there for anything properly cold though that would generate interest, therefore I think I'm calling time on this Winter now as we still haven't seen any kind of confidence for a much colder pattern and anything interesting keeps getting pushed back.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Well, several points: first, I did say ‘not without support’, which doesn’t mean ‘lots of support’, so in reality you’re agreeing with me. Secondly, there’s a recurring theme of ‘proper cold’ getting quite close to our east, with some ensemble options bringing it sufficiently far west. Finally, there are still 21 days of February plus the potential in March, so it’s somewhere between premature and trolling to write off any chance of cold at this point, certainly in the MOD thread (a ‘Winter Moaning’ thread is available….). 🙂


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



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