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Caz
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25 July 2022 17:50:33


 


 


Hope he's OK; nice guy is Art. He's not logged-in since 21st July. Perhaps on a holiday?


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

He isn’t on holiday but his wife has been poorly. Hope they’re both OK. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
25 July 2022 18:07:17

Yes hopefully Art is OK. A TWO legend!


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TimS
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25 July 2022 20:14:47


 


Kent & East Anglia cannot possibly be considered 'Central England' so what happens there is immaterial as regards the CET. And before anyone say it I don't think Stonyhurst should be considered a CET station. I believe that Manchester Ringway (now Manchester Airport) used to be the northern limit and even that was pushing it. But what some people seem to forget is that the 3 stations in themselves aren't intended to be representative of central England as such, rather they form the perimeter of said area and their average is considered to be consistent within that area. 


Originally Posted by: Col 


Yes I’m perfectly aware Kent and East Anglia are not Central England and that the 3 stations are not meant to be slap bang in the centre of England but thanks for the Geography lesson. 


Simply commenting that days when the warmest weather is in the East of the country are generally cooler than those where it’s in the West. 


The triangle made by the 3 stations contains a lot of land in the West Midlands and Marches and not much in the East Midlands.


 


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Spring Sun Winter Dread
25 July 2022 21:56:59
Strange that a CET on the early to mid 18s for July seems rather unremarkable now when we haven't topped 18C in August since 2003 and that has a historically similar average temperature..
August remains the relative underachiever in CET terms over the last 15 years or so
Col
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26 July 2022 03:02:51


 


Yes I’m perfectly aware Kent and East Anglia are not Central England and that the 3 stations are not meant to be slap bang in the centre of England but thanks for the Geography lesson. 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


That's OK, no problem.



Simply commenting that days when the warmest weather is in the East of the country are generally cooler than those where it’s in the West. 


The triangle made by the 3 stations contains a lot of land in the West Midlands and Marches and not much in the East Midlands.


 


And far too much in NW England. I wouldn't go any further north than Stoke. That's where the weather often seems to change and usually for the worse, as the influence of the Irish Sea starts to kick in.


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Jerry P
26 July 2022 07:01:42
I view the CET records as the most valuable tool for measuring temperature changes, rather than extreme weather or an accurate representation of the English climate. The most critical things are that the station sites remain unchanged and uninterrupted by external influences. Changing the sites wouldn’t achieve much, just a different set of readings which of course then would have no historical comparisons.
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Saint Snow
26 July 2022 11:18:11


 


That's OK, no problem.


 


And far too much in NW England. I wouldn't go any further north than Stoke. That's where the weather often seems to change and usually for the worse, as the influence of the Irish Sea starts to kick in.


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


I think it's important that part of the north England is included, or you won't have a CET that's anything like representative for several million people, and it would be artificially high.


Let's remember what the CET is: a very long-term record of temporature across three stations dotted around the country. It doesn't seek to give a totally accurate representation of the average temperature across every square mile of the country, but provides a comprison for year-on-year analysis.



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Col
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26 July 2022 14:00:03


 


 


I think it's important that part of the north England is included, or you won't have a CET that's anything like representative for several million people, and it would be artificially high.


Let's remember what the CET is: a very long-term record of temporature across three stations dotted around the country. It doesn't seek to give a totally accurate representation of the average temperature across every square mile of the country, but provides a comprison for year-on-year analysis.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That's fair enough but the northern limit was moved from south of Manchester to east of Preston. That's quite a shift. I wonder where they took data from pre-Ringway, in other words pre-airport?


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LeedsLad123
26 July 2022 16:46:36

One of the CET stations should be Bramham, since summer weather east of the Pennines is usually a bit warmer & drier ;-)


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Bertwhistle
26 July 2022 17:15:22

One of the early rationales for even having a CET was that it was qu: 'remote from the influence of the sea' which itself seems daft given the character of the BIs is their maritime location. Not sure how inland the NW station is. Would be better arguably to do Rothamstead-Pershore- N. Midlands /S. Yorkshire for something a bit more akin to the original aim.


Notwithstanding,  since that is the set-up, this being the longest running series across a significant area, it is worth preserving and whilst I recognise the UK temp is relevant and valuable, CET is the one I pay heed to. 


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AlvinMeister
27 July 2022 09:55:25

2016 was also notable for hitting 34C in mid September
Arguably just as remarkable as this week's 40C being that late in the year

Originally Posted by: Spring Sun Winter Dread 


29.9C on 1st October 2011 is another impressive one. 

Tim A
27 July 2022 10:03:28


 


That's fair enough but the northern limit was moved from south of Manchester to east of Preston. That's quite a shift. I wonder where they took data from pre-Ringway, in other words pre-airport?


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


Stonyhurst does seem like an odd choice, it is very Irish Sea influenced. 


See a few days this summer, with High Pressure to the South or South West,  fresh westerly wind , temps 16-18c in Stonyhurst,  21-25c East of the Pennines and significantly warmer Manchester southwards too. 


 


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Gavin D
27 July 2022 12:19:47

Hadley


18.2c to the 26th


2.2c above the 61 to 90 average
1.6c above the 81 to 10 average

Hungry Tiger
27 July 2022 13:01:39


He isn’t on holiday but his wife has been poorly. Hope they’re both OK. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I'll PM him - Send him a complimentary message from us and the forum.



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Caz
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28 July 2022 06:59:45


 


I'll PM him - Send him a complimentary message from us and the forum.



Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

  Thank you.  It’s really not like Art to miss a day, never mind several.  He hasn’t posted on the forum arms thread either.  Something isn’t right. 


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Gavin D
28 July 2022 13:03:19

Hadley


18.1c to the 27th


2.1c above the 61 to 90 average
1.5c above the 81 to 10 average

TimS
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28 July 2022 13:20:28


Hadley


18.1c to the 27th


2.1c above the 61 to 90 average
1.5c above the 81 to 10 average


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Come on CET, you can do it. Keep above 18C.


Need that to keep the dreams of equalling 1995 alive.


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Gavin D
29 July 2022 12:05:55

Hadley


18.1c to the 28th


2.1c above the 61 to 90 average
1.5c above the 81 to 10 average

Col
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29 July 2022 14:09:23


Hadley


18.1c to the 28th


2.1c above the 61 to 90 average
1.5c above the 81 to 10 average


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


It should surely stay above 18C now. I went for 18.52C and it's unlikely to rise that far. The warm/hot weather is mainly towards the SE and it will need more than that to push it up to that level. However I'm thinking it could edge up to 18.3C or so.


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Gavin D
30 July 2022 12:49:05

Hadley


18.1c to the 29th


2.1c above the 61 to 90 average
1.4c above the 81 to 10 average

Gavin D
31 July 2022 13:14:54
Hadley

18.1c to the 30th

2.1c above the 61 to 90 average
1.4c above the 81 to 10 average
Stormchaser
31 July 2022 20:38:14

Looks like my total error for the past 3 months will be about 0.3°C, pretty uncanny ... too bad (for me) the preceding tri-month total was 2.8°C .


Summer's been kind to me so far but I daren't assume August will play ball. The weather has a thing for pulling rugs out from underneath feet!


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lanky
01 August 2022 13:44:37

The July 2022 CET is out at 18.2C (+2.2 anom)


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/data/cet_mean_2022.txt


for the benefit of the league table I get 18.17 as the actual figure to 2 cecimals


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Caz
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01 August 2022 18:32:14


The July 2022 CET is out at 18.2C (+2.2 anom)


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/data/cet_mean_2022.txt


for the benefit of the league table I get 18.17 as the actual figure to 2 cecimals


Originally Posted by: lanky 

Oooh!  I went for 18.2c. 


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Frank H
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01 August 2022 18:48:56


Oooh!  I went for 18.2c. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Good effort Caz, it couldn't be closer.


No doubt you'll be moving up the table which I'll post later


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