tallyho_83
13 January 2021 14:42:52

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


BBC monthly outlook


Summary


Often unsettled with increasing risk of cold


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Wednesday 13 January – Sunday 17 January


Variable temperatures but less cold than recently


The rest of the working week is expected to see some quite changeable weather across the UK, with a low pressure system on Wednesday and Thursday bringing some widespread rain and cloudy skies. For Northern Ireland, rain will be heavy and last for much of the day, bringing a risk of some local flooding. Scotland and Northern England will see a risk of snow or ice for higher ground. From Thursday and into Friday, a ridge of high pressure will extend into the UK from the south and southwest, bringing a respite from the wet weather and also keeping temperatures hovering near normal.

However, the next low pressure system will begin to push in from the west, reaching Northern Ireland and western Scotland overnight Friday into the weekend, so not everyone will be dry. This low will make for an unsettled weekend with some milder but wetter weather for Saturday followed by a drier, colder and windier Sunday. There will be a split in temperatures with northern areas a bit colder than normal on Sunday while the southern half of the country is near or a little above normal, but cloudier. In short, we expect a volatile week of temperature swings and frequent rain, along with a chance of some snow for northern areas.


Monday 18 January – Sunday 24 January


Wetter weather with some cold snaps


As we enter late-January, the forecast gets more complicated. There are some strong signals for the low pressure track (which at the moment is displaced south in Spain and Italy) to return nearer to the UK, which would bring milder but wetter and windier weather. However, this comes with a rather large caveat: the polar vortex. This is a circulation of winds in the stratosphere, about 40-60 kilometres above the surface, and typically keeps cold Arctic air trapped at the pole. In early January, the vortex weakened and became displaced over Europe, and it's still overhead now. It usually takes a few weeks for the effects to reach the surface, so around mid-to-late January until early February we expect an increased chance of cold outbreaks.

It continues to look like the coldest weather will miss us to the east, staying mostly in Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and western Russia. There is still uncertainty on the westward extent of the cold air, and we could see a few cold blasts mixed in with some milder, wetter spells. These will be felt most in eastern and northern parts of the UK, while southern and western areas more often slightly milder. A highly variable forecast with large swings in temperature along with some wet and windy days is still expected, continuing from mid-January. Confidence is medium to low on the forecast, mainly due to the uncertainty in the temperatures. The UK is on a fine line between being more frequently cold or more frequently mild. There is greater risk of more widespread cold, as we have seen in previous years with a displaced polar vortex.


Thursday 25 February – Sunday 7 February


Unsettled with cold outbreaks nearby


Towards the end of January and into early February, there continues to be strong signals for a return of low pressure tracking from the south bringing wetter, windier, and milder conditions. However, a second weakening of the polar vortex is beginning in Siberia now, and this will likely delay the milder air from reaching us, prolonging the risk of cold. As the polar vortex returns to the Arctic and strengthens again by early February, we should begin to see the cold become less widespread, but this may be delayed for north Europe until nearer to mid-February. As with the previous week, we expect the cold to mostly stay to the east of us and low pressure to be the dominant feature, especially into February.

The UK will tend to find itself on the boundary between the cold high pressure to the east and the milder low pressure to the west, so confidence is pretty low on the specifics. A minor shift in the weather pattern will lead to some large changes in the expected conditions for the UK, so some caution is needed at this range. In general, it will likely be on the colder side of average mixed with some mild, wetter spells that last for 2-3 days at a time. Between low pressure systems there will be some sharp cold snaps, with a chance that cold could well turn more widespread if the polar vortex lingers in Russia longer than expected.


Further ahead


As a second polar vortex weakening event is ongoing, we will be able to look deeper into February next time to examine when the cold outbreak may end.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook


 



Mid January was always forecast to be milder and they are right as are the met and models. But the BBC has mentioned just about every possible outcome /scenario for the UK. Just shows the lack of confidence in the long range forecasts esp if we have a 2nd SSW. It could be a long and frustrating few weeks of model watching esp knowing many other parts of Europe are in a mid winter freeze. Moscow is expecting a daytime high of -20c on Saturday and Sunday with lows down to -24c. Been a few years since they have seen such low daytime maxes in January! Anyone else in for a roller coaster ride!?


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Whiteout
13 January 2021 15:41:11

Blimey, local forecast has upgraded somewhat:


 


Cold on Friday, with early sharp frost, mainly dry with broken cloud. Windy with rain and snow on Saturday, and possible disruptive accumulations. Mainly dry, bright, but cold on Sunday.


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Rob K
13 January 2021 15:55:31

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


Blimey, local forecast has upgraded somewhat:


 


Cold on Friday, with early sharp frost, mainly dry with broken cloud. Windy with rain and snow on Saturday, and possible disruptive accumulations. Mainly dry, bright, but cold on Sunday.



Yes that's a stealthy update... even this far south the forecast Saturday is now showing sleet in the morning (but changing to rain later). 


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Snow Hoper
13 January 2021 19:25:28

https://www.facebook.com/287501884208/posts/10158284544339209/


 


Met office 10 dayer.


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


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backtobasics
13 January 2021 19:37:09

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


https://www.facebook.com/287501884208/posts/10158284544339209/


 


Met office 10 dayer.



A pretty decent outlook I would say if you want snow, cold the most likely option but no guarantee. 

Rob K
13 January 2021 19:40:31

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


https://www.facebook.com/287501884208/posts/10158284544339209/


 


Met office 10 dayer.



Good explanation there of how a small shift can send everything TU 


He does say at the moment there is less chance of the low staying west, which is encouraging.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Whiteout
14 January 2021 08:21:58

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Good explanation there of how a small shift can send everything TU 


He does say at the moment there is less chance of the low staying west, which is encouraging.



Indeed, great video that, helps clear the muddy waters so to speak. I like many was very critical of the Met forecasts etc in years gone by, but they have improved massively and vids like these are gold.


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Heavy Weather 2013
14 January 2021 12:56:53
Sky news weather is appalling. They really need to upgrade there maps as well. They are so dated and old.
Mark
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Whiteout
14 January 2021 14:18:23

Met office update pretty much unchanged:


 


From Monday onwards unsettled conditions look likely to continue, with winds from the north bringing colder conditions from a cold airmass currently resident over Scandinavia west across the north and potentially much of the country at times throughout the week. A north-easterly flow may bring frequent showers, particularly to the northern windward coasts, possibly falling as snow over high ground and sometimes down to low levels. The jet stream will become shifted southwards bringing rain to southern areas throughout the week, with a possibility of some organised snowfall forming on the leading edge of these features. Temperatures most likely rather cold for the north of the UK and near or slightly above average temperatures across the south, but cold spells can't be ruled out here also.


 


 


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Whiteout
14 January 2021 14:19:44

Actually it is the same, but the dates have been changed?


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tallyho_83
14 January 2021 14:22:17

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


Met office update pretty much unchanged:


 


From Monday onwards unsettled conditions look likely to continue, with winds from the north bringing colder conditions from a cold airmass currently resident over Scandinavia west across the north and potentially much of the country at times throughout the week. A north-easterly flow may bring frequent showers, particularly to the northern windward coasts, possibly falling as snow over high ground and sometimes down to low levels. The jet stream will become shifted southwards bringing rain to southern areas throughout the week, with a possibility of some organised snowfall forming on the leading edge of these features. Temperatures most likely rather cold for the north of the UK and near or slightly above average temperatures across the south, but cold spells can't be ruled out here also.


 


 



We live in hope here for the south to see some white stuff.


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Gavin D
14 January 2021 14:23:30

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


Actually it is the same, but the dates have been changed?



 


Same issue as last week where the date changed, and they forgot to update the text

Gavin D
14 January 2021 16:50:24

Tuesday 19 Jan - Thursday 28 Jan


From Tuesday onwards unsettled conditions look likely to continue for most of the UK, with cloud, rain, and strong winds. A north-easterly flow will bring cold conditions and possibly frequent showers, particularly to the northern windward coasts, which may fall as snow over high ground and sometimes down to lower levels. Towards the end of the period conditions are likely to remain colder than average in the north, with the south likely to see more unsettled conditions and slightly above average temperatures at times. These conditions would likely bring periods of above average precipitation to the UK, with a likelihood of more organised snowfall for northern areas, and rain in southern areas. Central and northern areas may see wintry hazards due to this.


Thursday 28 Jan - Thursday 11 Feb


Confidence for this period is low, though there is a signal for weaker than average westerly winds with Atlantic systems likely to track further south than normal. Therefore, for the north of the UK a risk of wintry precipitation is expected with temperatures around average to a little below. Further south there is an increased chance of unsettled conditions, with above average precipitation and with periods where temperatures may be slightly above average. Through this period there is a greater than average chance of cold spells across the UK with the associated risk of wintry hazards. There is potential at times for significant snowfall on the boundary between milder and colder air masses, with greatest risk across central and northern areas.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

Rob K
15 January 2021 07:51:05
Not our winter in the south, is it?
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Whiteout
15 January 2021 08:54:59

An interesting tweet from Fergie:



Replying to




Actually I'm unconvinced by current longer-lead daily output (of main operational centres) & any milder phases may prove transient. Priming for colder outbreaks seems omnipresent frm later nxt week into Feb: we need to be vigilant for sudden further switches in med-range emphasis


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Gandalf The White
15 January 2021 09:34:01

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


An interesting tweet from Fergie:



Replying to




Actually I'm unconvinced by current longer-lead daily output (of main operational centres) & any milder phases may prove transient. Priming for colder outbreaks seems omnipresent frm later nxt week into Feb: we need to be vigilant for sudden further switches in med-range emphasis



The underlying messages are ones that have been highlighted many times: don’t trust the operational runs alone and, more importantly, the pros have access to more data and have more knowledge than any of us.


 


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Rob K
15 January 2021 09:39:05

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


Blimey, local forecast has upgraded somewhat:


 


Cold on Friday, with early sharp frost, mainly dry with broken cloud. Windy with rain and snow on Saturday, and possible disruptive accumulations. Mainly dry, bright, but cold on Sunday.



The "early sharp frost" promised back then didn't really materialise in the SE did it? Frost on the cars and a touch on house roofs but another very grey and damp morning.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Snow Hoper
15 January 2021 09:46:10

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


The "early sharp frost" promised back then didn't really materialise in the SE did it? Frost on the cars and a touch on house roofs but another very grey and damp morning.



Even yesterdays was forecasting -5C last night for here. Think it probably hadn't been updated as it didnt get below 0.4C and I doubt anyone in the region got that low. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
15 January 2021 10:36:56

Met office yellow warning for heavy snow for SE and EA tomorrow.


 


 


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nsrobins
15 January 2021 11:39:47

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


The "early sharp frost" promised back then didn't really materialise in the SE did it? Frost on the cars and a touch on house roofs but another very grey and damp morning.



A quick push through of any leading snow tomorrow for parts of the SE. BBC forecast Sunday had highs 7-8C in the south on Sunday - I’d class that as near normal rather than ‘cold’. 
With next week looking fairly average temp wise it’s all quite uninspiring to be honest.


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