Asymptomatic people can later test positive for antibodies. I did post a story earlier from Camden in north London of 5 teachers who are taking part in a study and have antibodies despite not having reported any symptoms

http://camdennewjournal.com/article/virus-may-have-already-swept-through-school-in-spring

Thanks!  I hadn’t seen that but it’s interesting!  That also begs the question we’ve also debated, whether the virus was more widely spread earlier than we think.  Although Darren’s antibody testing was negative and partly debunked that idea but as keyworkers are being antibody tested now, or some time soon, it will perhaps shed more light. 

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The 122 hospital deaths in England by date

• 27 on May 17th


• 59 on May 16th


• 29 on May 15th


• 6 on May 14th


• 1 on May 13th

Spain are hoping to allow Brits to travel to the country without needing to isolate upon arrival from the end of June

 

You wont be glad if you catch it thanks to Boris's reckless attitude

 

 

Don’t believe Boris is being remotely reckless and I’m content with the risk to me. May have already had it anyway and been asymptomatic.

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 Doubts over Oxford vaccine as it fails to stop coronavirus in animal trials

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/doubts-oxford-vaccine-fails-stop-coronavirus-animal-trials/

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All 122 hospital deaths reported today in England were within the last 5-days

Gavin, is there a graph showing daily positive tests?

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Gavin, is there a graph showing daily positive tests?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

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Gavin, is there a graph showing daily positive tests?

 

Every week day from 5pm on BBC News/Sky News or from 4pm on weekends they show that graph.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

Ahh!  Thanks Darren!  

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 Doubts over Oxford vaccine as it fails to stop coronavirus in animal trials

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The Oxford University vaccine, tipped as a “front runner” in the race to develop a coronavirus jab, does not stop the virus in monkeys and may only be partially effective, experts have warned. A trial of the vaccine in rhesus macaque monkeys did not stop the animals from catching the virus and has raised questions about the vaccine’s likely human efficacy and ongoing development. The vaccine, known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, is now undergoing human trials in Britain. The Government has brokered a deal between Oxford University and AstraZeneca, the drug company, to produce up to 30 million doses if it proves successful having ploughed £47m into the research.

“All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions,” said Dr William Haseltine, a former Harvard Medical School professor who had a pivotal role in the development of early HIV/Aids treatments. “There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected,” he wrote in an article on Forbes. Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, said that the vaccine data suggests that the jab may not be able to prevent the spread of the virus between infected individuals. 

“That viral loads in the noses of vaccinated and unvaccinated animals were identical is very significant. If the same happened in humans, vaccination would not stop spread,” he said.  “I genuinely believe that this finding should warrant an urgent re-appraisal of the ongoing human trials of the ChAdOx1 vaccine.” The trials investigated the immune response to the Oxford vaccine in rhesus macaque monkeys and were carried out at the National Institute of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in the US, with initial results published in a press release at the end of April. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/doubts-oxford-vaccine-fails-stop-coronavirus-animal-trials/

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

I'll read both articles later to see what has changed. 

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Call for a new thread on this?

 

Don’t believe Boris is being remotely reckless and I’m content with the risk to me. May have already had it anyway and been asymptomatic.

Beast is just a troll who posts whatever comes into his head at the time - only a few weeks ago he was railing against pub closures.

Anyhow, I would rather face the risk of COVID personally, than spend the next few weeks stuck at home.

People are too risk averse these days - it is one thing to take sensible precautions (as I do) and another to stay at home like some namby-pamby. All this nonsense about visiting beaches and parks, the safest places to be, provided you keep sufficient distance from others that they don't cough all over you.

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

I'll read both articles later to see what has changed. 

 

From my recollection of the positive story the other day, the vaccine may:

 

Reduce infection within the lungs and severity of symptoms. But not on its presence in the nose/throat.

So people who are vaccinated are more likely to have weak symptoms but can still pass it on.

 

Not ideal , but better than nothing?

 

Will be interesting to see whether countries rush for a suboptimal vaccine or hold out for a more effective one.

 

 

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I think Harries said the infection rate is likely to be half of its current value when schools reopen in a couple of weeks. 

She also said it was safe for the Liverpool/Madrid game and Cheltenham to go ahead 

Yet, no journalist seems to be ask her about this. There is video of her saying it!

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 Doubts over Oxford vaccine as it fails to stop coronavirus in animal trials

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The Oxford University vaccine, tipped as a “front runner” in the race to develop a coronavirus jab, does not stop the virus in monkeys and may only be partially effective, experts have warned. A trial of the vaccine in rhesus macaque monkeys did not stop the animals from catching the virus and has raised questions about the vaccine’s likely human efficacy and ongoing development. The vaccine, known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, is now undergoing human trials in Britain. The Government has brokered a deal between Oxford University and AstraZeneca, the drug company, to produce up to 30 million doses if it proves successful having ploughed £47m into the research.

“All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions,” said Dr William Haseltine, a former Harvard Medical School professor who had a pivotal role in the development of early HIV/Aids treatments. “There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected,” he wrote in an article on Forbes. Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, said that the vaccine data suggests that the jab may not be able to prevent the spread of the virus between infected individuals. 

“That viral loads in the noses of vaccinated and unvaccinated animals were identical is very significant. If the same happened in humans, vaccination would not stop spread,” he said.  “I genuinely believe that this finding should warrant an urgent re-appraisal of the ongoing human trials of the ChAdOx1 vaccine.” The trials investigated the immune response to the Oxford vaccine in rhesus macaque monkeys and were carried out at the National Institute of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in the US, with initial results published in a press release at the end of April. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/doubts-oxford-vaccine-fails-stop-coronavirus-animal-trials/

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The actual pre print document says it seems to not prevent transmission, but does prevent pneumonia developing. 
I wonder if it also blocks the myriad other ailments I’ve seen reported? Kidneys, blood clots etc ?

Also a note to the Telegraph 

Preprint: "should not be reported in news media as established information"

😉

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The uptick at the end, following a stagnation, is indeed worrying - all being equal, it would suggest R is hovering around or just above 1, which obviously isn't good!

This is also very similar to the pattern of the number of new cases being detected, which has also plateaued at about 3500 a day.

This would suggest that if anything the restrictions should be tightened again, unless we're happy to have that many cases around (it's far higher than France, Spain, Italy etc).

100-150 a day in terms of deaths might be optimistic, at least outside of the lower totals reported on Sunday and Monday due to the weekend...

 

It was idiotic to relax lockdown before a track and trace programme was in place. Ours still wont be ready for weeks and its been outsourced to the private sector who will no doubt be using work experience kids.

In other countries, the tracers are experienced professionals who know the local community and are trusted by local people. That's the only way you get people to comply and reveal their true contacts

This is another HMG clusterfuck

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Not ideal , but better than nothing?

 

Will be interesting to see whether countries rush for a suboptimal vaccine or hold out for a more effective one.

 

 

Yes, but would you want to get it, if you could wait for a better one? Can you get both?

 

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Don’t believe Boris is being remotely reckless and I’m content with the risk to me. May have already had it anyway and been asymptomatic.

I get fed up with these me me me posts. Never a thought or understanding about transmission rate to the vulnerable.

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Beast is just a troll who posts whatever comes into his head at the time - only a few weeks ago he was railing against pub closures.

Anyhow, I would rather face the risk of COVID personally, than spend the next few weeks stuck at home.

People are too risk averse these days - it is one thing to take sensible precautions (as I do) and another to stay at home like some namby-pamby. All this nonsense about visiting beaches and parks, the safest places to be, provided you keep sufficient distance from others that they don't cough all over you.

 

If you end up in Hospital, I'll read this out to you

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Beast is just a troll who posts whatever comes into his head at the time - only a few weeks ago he was railing against pub closures.

Anyhow, I would rather face the risk of COVID personally, than spend the next few weeks stuck at home.

People are too risk averse these days - it is one thing to take sensible precautions (as I do) and another to stay at home like some namby-pamby. All this nonsense about visiting beaches and parks, the safest places to be, provided you keep sufficient distance from others that they don't cough all over you.

 

Get outside and enjoy the glorious weather and all those on furlough make the bloody most of this extended time off as it won`t happen again until you retire!! Iam out fishing pretty much every other day now and absolutely loving not having to go to work The chances of catching the virus outside are slim to none as long as you are sensible and careful. My motto is out of adversity comes opportunity.