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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 11:45:11

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


Restaurants and cafes are opening in June in France so you’ll be fine....


 



I reckon a 50 megaton nuke could explode on your head and you'd still be happy. 

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westv
12 May 2020 11:45:37

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


Restaurants and cafes are opening in June in France so you’ll be fine....


 



To what extent will they be open though?

At least it will be mild!
Joe Bloggs
12 May 2020 11:45:58

Another excellent and welcome intervention from our Chancellor. 


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12 May 2020 11:47:51

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


This used to be a nice area, but over the past 20 years, the chavs have moved in and big houses are getting turned into flats left right and centre


If our ‘Spoons started to go downhill, we’d stop going.  It’s mainly young professionals and middle aged couples going for an after work meal, not a chavs or ‘sit at the bar letchy blokes’ there for a sesh!   

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Bugglesgate
12 May 2020 11:48:40

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Eating and drinking out is a big part of our summer hols normally. Your planned holiday sounds more feasible than most but I would also be questioning the spend.



I think in the current circs   questioning  any large, non-essential outgoing might be wise.  Anyone  who know exactly how this is all going to pan out economically is talking out of their hat !


 


 


 


 


 

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12 May 2020 11:49:48

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes, watching porn is getting more blurry as well, which defeats the purpose! I can see clearly from a distance, but not close up.


I will have to go to the Opticians when they are allowed to open 


Should have gone to Specsavers!

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speckledjim
12 May 2020 11:50:14

Originally Posted by: westv 


 


To what extent will they be open though?



They haven’t announced what restrictions will apply when they open yet. Planning to do so nearer the time (2nd June)

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ozone_aurora
12 May 2020 11:51:35

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


I've still got a ferry crossing booked in late July to Le Havre. We were looking to finalise booking a villa in the Vendee just before CV19 hit so we put it on hold. Now it looks like it might be possible - France is waiving its 14-day quarantine for UK (and Schengen) travellers and whispers are that July 24th will be the day for significant scaling back of restrictions there. Plenty of available property!


Driving there (overnight cabin on the ferry) is the safest way, from a CV19 perspective, and we'd be staying in a villa with its own pool and about 500m walk to the beach through countryside/forest.


But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.


A fair bit to pay for a week of sunshine and moderate heat. This has actually made me think hard about the cost-benefit of a week away. I tend to just allocate a chunk of outgoings to the main holiday each year as an inevitable cost, and in the past 3 years we've had two 'bumper' special holidays that have been fantastic experiences for all of us that I'd not want to swap. But a 'normal' holiday that's going to cost north of £3.5k? Like I say, it's got me questioning the spend.



Hope you do get your holiday!

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12 May 2020 11:53:32

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


They haven’t announced what restrictions will apply when they open yet. Planning to do so nearer the time (2nd June)


The French experience is eating at pavement cafes, which is probably deemed safer than eating indoors.

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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 11:56:50

Ambrose lets rip. Key points from the article below:


Government’s handling of Covid-19 is a veryBritish disaster



British exceptionalism has brought an exceptional outcome. We have both an eye-watering number of avoidable deaths and a staggering amount of avoidable economic damage. The purported trade-off between lives and jobs – always a false choice – has instead spared neither. It is the worst of both.
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Prostrate Greece has done better than this country by orders of magnitude despite a decade of economic depression and deep austerity cuts to health care, hospitals, and the social welfare system, as well as having to cope with the burden of seething migrant camps on the Aegean islands.
...


But claims by both Downing Street and Public Health England that they “got it right” cannot be allowed to stand. Nor can the pretence that each stage of the containment policy is being fed out at just right time and at just the right calibration under the Jupiterian guidance of behavioural theorists.


There was never anything to be gained from delaying the lockdown once the brushfire had slipped control due to lack of testing/tracing. Each three days of prevarication meant a doubling of the infection case load. It was to sink deeper into the quagmire. Nor did the SAGE committee ever have a sufficient grasp of the basic facts to fine-tune the timing, let alone to play God.
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[In the UK] Basically, every mistake that could have been made, was made. He likened the care home policy to the Siege of Caffa in 1346, that grim chapter of the Black Death when a Mongol army catapulted plague-ridden bodies over the walls.
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“When the inquiry comes, it will show that many people died for lack of oxygen supply in hospitals, and this led to early intubation,” writes the doctor. “Boris survived because they gave him oxygen. High flow oxygen wasn’t available as a treatment option for all patients.”
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Downing Street has now gone “Korean” with apparent gusto, belatedly switching to testing/tracing/isolation. But when it pulls the policy levers, precious little seems to be happening. Bureaucratic inertia seems to thwart action.


“Where is the testing and contact tracing capacity we should have built?” asks my cardiologist friend. “Are there mass sampling systems to give daily infection figures in every ward of the country? No. Is there an army of contact tracers to act on the results? No. The advert to recruit tracers only went out today, incredibly. And only 15,000. At minimum wage.”
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We are not yet close to achieving a viable suppression strategy. That is why the Prime Minister could offer no more than partial and unsatisfying liberation on Sunday night.
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“The striking thing is how consistently the government failed, in every single element of the response, everywhere you turn (the Army excepted),” writes the doctor. “This is probably the most expensive series of errors in the country’s history.”
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[Compared to other countries] Yet the UK is moving uncomfortably close to special status, with excess deaths above the seasonal average topping 42,000 up to April 24. It has undoubtedly surpassed 50,000 since then. We will breach 1,000 deaths per million before long, yet without reaching the safe uplands of herd immunity.


There is not much company – if any – at this Tibetan altitude. They are not all Covid deaths but they are all part of the Covid drama, all dating from the same original sin in February when the Government was asleep and temptress voices of behavioural theory went unchallenged.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/12/governments-handling-covid-19-british-disaster/


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John p
12 May 2020 11:59:29

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Agree with Hancock. Not sure what Ryan Air is playing at. 


Britons are unlikely to be able to go on foreign summer holidays this year, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.


Asked whether "summer was cancelled", he told ITV's This Morning: "I think that's likely to be the case. We haven't made a final decision on that yet but it is clear that we will seek to reopen hospitality, some hospitality, from early July if we keep successfully reducing the spread of this virus...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-government-guidance-boris-johnson-lockdown/


 



We’ll be cancelling our holiday to France in August whether we’re allowed to go or not. I doubt much will be open in terms of tourism. 

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Retron
12 May 2020 12:02:48

It's arrived - as the sample has to be sent off before noon, I'll be doing this tomorrow morning. Nothing very exciting to see, really, except they need a 5ml sample of blood to conduct antibody testing!


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12 May 2020 12:08:49

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I've still got a ferry crossing booked in late July to Le Havre. We were looking to finalise booking a villa in the Vendee just before CV19 hit so we put it on hold. Now it looks like it might be possible - France is waiving its 14-day quarantine for UK (and Schengen) travellers and whispers are that July 24th will be the day for significant scaling back of restrictions there. Plenty of available property!


Driving there (overnight cabin on the ferry) is the safest way, from a CV19 perspective, and we'd be staying in a villa with its own pool and about 500m walk to the beach through countryside/forest.


But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.


A fair bit to pay for a week of sunshine and moderate heat. This has actually made me think hard about the cost-benefit of a week away. I tend to just allocate a chunk of outgoings to the main holiday each year as an inevitable cost, and in the past 3 years we've had two 'bumper' special holidays that have been fantastic experiences for all of us that I'd not want to swap. But a 'normal' holiday that's going to cost north of £3.5k? Like I say, it's got me questioning the spend.



Aside from the spend I'd would worry about the range of usual holiday activities being seriously curtailed. Also if the French tourist areas are taking the same sort of attitude to visitors as those in the UK then you might encounter some local hostility especially given the UK's international reputation as a virus hotspot, which could sour things. Who knows what state the world will be in by the end of July?

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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 12:11:19

Originally Posted by: Retron 


It's arrived - as the sample has to be sent off before noon, I'll be doing this tomorrow morning. Nothing very exciting to see, really, except they need a 5ml sample of blood to conduct antibody testing!




How much blood is needed? Is it comparable to the amount required for blood glucose testing or significantly more? 

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Joe Bloggs
12 May 2020 12:15:32

Originally Posted by: Retron 


It's arrived - as the sample has to be sent off before noon, I'll be doing this tomorrow morning. Nothing very exciting to see, really, except they need a 5ml sample of blood to conduct antibody testing!




Really interested to know what your result is Darren. 


Reminds me very much of at-home HIV testing which I do periodically. 


I sometimes struggle to get enough blood! It’s horrible. 


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Retron
12 May 2020 12:22:07

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


How much blood is needed? Is it comparable to the amount required for blood glucose testing or significantly more? 



Much more than that! My dad used to have a home testing kit for diabetic testing and that was just a finger-prick drop of blood.


This is 5ml... not much when it comes to a drink, but I'll have to fill that vial up.


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Really interested to know what your result is Darren. 
Reminds me very much of at-home HIV testing which I do periodically. 
I sometimes struggle to get enough blood! It’s horrible. 



I'll let you know what the results are as soon as I get them (I'm hoping for positive, but expecting negative).


The latter bit doesn't fill me with confidence, nor do the instructions (which basically tell you to squeeze out the blood, using another finger if necessary). Still, it'll be worth the inconvenience to find out if I've had it or not!


 


 


 

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The Beast from the East
12 May 2020 12:23:02

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Another excellent and welcome intervention from our Chancellor. 



Yes, the financial side of things they have done ok, would like to see a rise in UC as well though

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Joe Bloggs
12 May 2020 12:25:07

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


How much blood is needed? Is it comparable to the amount required for blood glucose testing or significantly more? 



You have to “milk” your finger, if it’s anything like the HIV antibody test. Not especially pleasant.. your hands have to be warm and it can sometimes take a bit of time. 


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Joe Bloggs
12 May 2020 12:27:08

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Much more than that! My dad used to have a home testing kit for diabetic testing and that was just a finger-prick drop of blood.


This is 5ml... not much when it comes to a drink, but I'll have to fill that vial up.


 


I'll let you know what the results are as soon as I get them (I'm hoping for positive, but expecting negative).


The latter bit doesn't fill me with confidence, nor do the instructions (which basically tell you to squeeze out the blood, using another finger if necessary). Still, it'll be worth the inconvenience to find out if I've had it or not!


 


 


 



It’s absolutely fine, just need to take your time. I usually end up using more than one lancet. 


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The Beast from the East
12 May 2020 12:29:15

The fact that furlough has been extended in full suggests the very real threat of going back into lockdown.


Perhaps this was Richie Rich acting alone, but a very welcome move. He is smooth and impressive, and I don't say that about many Tories

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