Only today 

I'm not too sure about this drive as far as you like so long as you go home that day. People are going to take that as licence to drive anywhere for any reason. 

But to me everything is pretty much as clear as it ever was, despite, not because of the Government's efforts.

Most sane human beings don't want to catch it or transmit it to another. (Of course only about 80% of the UK population are sane).

So all you need to do as an individual is do nothing that will cause close contact with others outside your household, avoid potentially contaminated surfaces and sterilise if you have had contact and minimse any activity that will put extra pressure on the NHS. I fully realise this is not straightforward for people who need to go to work and they will have to make their own judgements whether or how to do that in the safest way.

Fauci to warn on risk of opening US economy too soon

Top expert will tell Senate that reopening economy too soon may result in 'needless suffering and death', report says.

Monday's report about the warning from Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a leading member of the White House's coronavirus taskforce, came as President Donald Trump pressed states to lift lockdown measures, saying "people are dying in the lockdown position, too".

"We're not reopening based on science," Dr Thomas R Frieden, former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was quoted as saying by the New York Times. "We're reopening based on politics, ideology and public pressure. And I think it's going to end badly."

Meanwhile, Trump in a Twitter post complained that Democratic governors were being too slow in lifting restrictions in their states.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/coronavirus-fauci-warn-risk-opening-economy-200512055622273.html

 

Exactly the point.  Going to the pub now could mean a 2% risk of dying and a hangover to boot. Not exactly an appealing offer IMHO. Beast and Tim Martin may of course think otherwise.  

You are of course far more likely to die of liver disease or getting run over staggering home

And there is actually quite a high risk of getting mugged outside or beaten up inside. 

Since Christmas, the police have been called 8 times to fights and violent incidents in my pub alone! In February some chavs smashed the TV up, so we couldn't watch the 6 nations rugby at all, let alone any news, but at least the Wifi still worked!

 

How do you reconcile that with the figures Vallance revealed yesterday? Based on antibody testing the estimate is 4% past infections for the UK exc London and 10% for London.  

ONS estimates were from a much larger sample pool i think. I suspect the more anti body test that get done those estimates will increase.

However in those figures you give  around 4 million have antibodies.

Also if i recall correctly antibodies take around 3 weeks to appear once over an infection.. 

Pure conceptualisation here but those who tested positive in those antibody test would have been infected before the peak. 

You are of course far more likely to die of liver disease or getting run over staggering home

And there is actually quite a high risk of getting mugged outside or beaten up inside. 

Since Christmas, the police have been called 8 times to fights and violent incidents in my pub alone! In February some chavs smashed the TV up, so we couldn't watch the 6 nations rugby at all, let alone any news, but at least the Wifi still worked!

Agree with Hancock. Not sure what Ryan Air is playing at. 

Britons are unlikely to be able to go on foreign summer holidays this year, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.

Asked whether "summer was cancelled", he told ITV's This Morning: "I think that's likely to be the case. We haven't made a final decision on that yet but it is clear that we will seek to reopen hospitality, some hospitality, from early July if we keep successfully reducing the spread of this virus...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-government-guidance-boris-johnson-lockdown/

 

I've still got a ferry crossing booked in late July to Le Havre. We were looking to finalise booking a villa in the Vendee just before CV19 hit so we put it on hold. Now it looks like it might be possible - France is waiving its 14-day quarantine for UK (and Schengen) travellers and whispers are that July 24th will be the day for significant scaling back of restrictions there. Plenty of available property!

Driving there (overnight cabin on the ferry) is the safest way, from a CV19 perspective, and we'd be staying in a villa with its own pool and about 500m walk to the beach through countryside/forest.

But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.

A fair bit to pay for a week of sunshine and moderate heat. This has actually made me think hard about the cost-benefit of a week away. I tend to just allocate a chunk of outgoings to the main holiday each year as an inevitable cost, and in the past 3 years we've had two 'bumper' special holidays that have been fantastic experiences for all of us that I'd not want to swap. But a 'normal' holiday that's going to cost north of £3.5k? Like I say, it's got me questioning the spend.

 

ONS estimates were from a much larger sample pool i think. I suspect the more anti body test that get done those estimates will increase.

However in those figures you give  around 4 million have antibodies.

Also if i recall correctly antibodies take around 3 weeks to appear once over an infection.. 

Pure conceptualisation here but those who tested positive in those antibody test would have been infected before the peak. 

Fauci to warn on risk of opening US economy too soon

 

He is likely to get sacked for talking to CNN as well

He gets death threats from Trump supporters and needs security, unlike the lady Dr Birx, who has shown herself to be a stooge, like Whitty and Vallance

So the moral of the story is:  get some decent specs so you can see it zipping by!  

Seriously, I’ve had varifocals for a while and have had no problem. You just have to remember to move your head up and down to switch from close to distant and not just your eyes.  

I'm not too sure about this drive as far as you like so long as you go home that day. People are going to take that as licence to drive anywhere for any reason. 

The missus and I are pondering a trip to South Cumbria at the weekend, just to see something different and take the dog for a long walk.

Disappointed we wouldn't be able to end the day with a meal out, but I guess some chippies will be open

 

He is likely to get sacked for talking to CNN as well

He gets death threats from Trump supporters and needs security, unlike the lady Dr Birx, who has shown herself to be a stooge, like Whitty and Vallance

It's horrendous there, isn't it.

Jeez!  Your ‘Spoon’s sounds rough!  The one I go to is much more civil!  

This used to be a nice area, but over the past 20 years, the chavs have moved in and big houses are getting turned into flats left right and centre

But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.

 

For us, eating out is all part of our holiday.

So the moral of the story is:  get some decent specs so you can see it zipping by!  

Seriously, I’ve had varifocals for a while and have had no problem. You just have to remember to move your head up and down to switch from close to distant and not just your eyes.  

Yes, watching porn is getting more blurry as well, which defeats the purpose! I can see clearly from a distance, but not close up.

I will have to go to the Opticians when they are allowed to open

 

Why particularly? Children have a miniscule risk from COVID-19.

Because the risk will be there and it hasn't been proven they cant pass it on 

I've still got a ferry crossing booked in late July to Le Havre. We were looking to finalise booking a villa in the Vendee just before CV19 hit so we put it on hold. Now it looks like it might be possible - France is waiving its 14-day quarantine for UK (and Schengen) travellers and whispers are that July 24th will be the day for significant scaling back of restrictions there. Plenty of available property!

Driving there (overnight cabin on the ferry) is the safest way, from a CV19 perspective, and we'd be staying in a villa with its own pool and about 500m walk to the beach through countryside/forest.

But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.

A fair bit to pay for a week of sunshine and moderate heat. This has actually made me think hard about the cost-benefit of a week away. I tend to just allocate a chunk of outgoings to the main holiday each year as an inevitable cost, and in the past 3 years we've had two 'bumper' special holidays that have been fantastic experiences for all of us that I'd not want to swap. But a 'normal' holiday that's going to cost north of £3.5k? Like I say, it's got me questioning the spend.

I can’t wait for my next holiday.  We had hoped to go on another cruise last month but obviously didn’t.  The other day, hubby said that if a cruise was available tomorrow, he’d take it.  Might sound mad to some people but I think life in general is a risk and if the FO say it’s safe, I’ll take that advice.  Just for the record though, we have followed the lockdown rules.

 

 

I've still got a ferry crossing booked in late July to Le Havre. We were looking to finalise booking a villa in the Vendee just before CV19 hit so we put it on hold. Now it looks like it might be possible - France is waiving its 14-day quarantine for UK (and Schengen) travellers and whispers are that July 24th will be the day for significant scaling back of restrictions there. Plenty of available property!

Driving there (overnight cabin on the ferry) is the safest way, from a CV19 perspective, and we'd be staying in a villa with its own pool and about 500m walk to the beach through countryside/forest.

But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.

A fair bit to pay for a week of sunshine and moderate heat. This has actually made me think hard about the cost-benefit of a week away. I tend to just allocate a chunk of outgoings to the main holiday each year as an inevitable cost, and in the past 3 years we've had two 'bumper' special holidays that have been fantastic experiences for all of us that I'd not want to swap. But a 'normal' holiday that's going to cost north of £3.5k? Like I say, it's got me questioning the spend.

Restaurants and cafes are opening in June in France so you’ll be fine....

I've still got a ferry crossing booked in late July to Le Havre. We were looking to finalise booking a villa in the Vendee just before CV19 hit so we put it on hold. Now it looks like it might be possible - France is waiving its 14-day quarantine for UK (and Schengen) travellers and whispers are that July 24th will be the day for significant scaling back of restrictions there. Plenty of available property!

Driving there (overnight cabin on the ferry) is the safest way, from a CV19 perspective, and we'd be staying in a villa with its own pool and about 500m walk to the beach through countryside/forest.

But I doubt restaurants and bars would be open (perhaps outside seating ones would be?), and I don't think we'd get the full France experience.

A fair bit to pay for a week of sunshine and moderate heat. This has actually made me think hard about the cost-benefit of a week away. I tend to just allocate a chunk of outgoings to the main holiday each year as an inevitable cost, and in the past 3 years we've had two 'bumper' special holidays that have been fantastic experiences for all of us that I'd not want to swap. But a 'normal' holiday that's going to cost north of £3.5k? Like I say, it's got me questioning the spend.

Eating and drinking out is a big part of our summer hols normally. Your planned holiday sounds more feasible than most but I would also be questioning the spend.