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doctormog
29 December 2019 09:20:38


 


Correct me if I'm wrong but sadly that outcome seems to be a real outlier on the ensembles. Nice eye candy though.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Yes I suspect it will be gone in a couple of hours.


White Meadows
29 December 2019 09:24:20


 


Correct me if I'm wrong but sadly that outcome seems to be a real outlier on the ensembles. Nice eye candy though.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Correct. The same outlier (dark blue member) goes mental on the pressure graph later on - an unnatural evolution and highly unlikely to be a trend setter: http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png


 

bledur
29 December 2019 09:29:57



Not really, Start of March 2018 and all March 2013 were extremely cold with wind from the east.
Then there was December 2010, lots of selective memories coming out for some reason.

Several winters in the 1970s were practically snowless and generally mild.
And in the 50s, and in the 60s. And the 80s...

Winters in Western Europe are noteworthy for being generally mild considering out latitude, it is because there's a big warm Ocean on our doorstep and the prevailing wind is WSW.
/thread 


Originally Posted by: four 

What does this mean?


European annual, winter (December, January, February) and summer (June, July, August) mean temperature deviations, 1860-2009 (ºC)

doctormog
29 December 2019 09:33:31


What does this mean?


European annual, winter (December, January, February) and summer (June, July, August) mean temperature deviations, 1860-2009 (ºC)


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Plagiarism and off topic? 


 


White Meadows
29 December 2019 09:33:38


What does this mean?


European annual, winter (December, January, February) and summer (June, July, August) mean temperature deviations, 1860-2009 (ºC)


Originally Posted by: bledur 

It means we need the complete shut down of the NAD 

Ally Pally Snowman
29 December 2019 09:55:41


 


It has already gone. 16.2C was recorded at Achnagart at 01:00 today. Astonishing. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Met Office update Cassley, Sutherland 16.8c at  3 am. Completely bonkers.


 


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doctormog
29 December 2019 10:02:05
Thereโ€™s now a thread to discuss this and unusual winter warmth. It would be nice to separate the model outlook from current conditions etc.

Will next Friday still show the cold clipping the north and will FI have another rogue cold option on the 06z output? We will find out soon.
BJBlake
29 December 2019 10:02:37
Heck! Agreed Brian, P1 is a roller-coaster ride of eye-candy delights for old coldies like me...check it out. Wild outlier it most certainly is, but worth the ride. We can but dream!
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nsrobins
29 December 2019 10:16:00



Not really, Start of March 2018 and all March 2013 were extremely cold with wind from the east.
Then there was December 2010, lots of selective memories coming out for some reason.

Several winters in the 1970s were practically snowless and generally mild.
And in the 50s, and in the 60s. And the 80s...

Winters in Western Europe are noteworthy for being generally mild considering out latitude, it is because there's a big warm Ocean on our doorstep and the prevailing wind is WSW.
/thread 


Originally Posted by: four 


Maybe I should of specified my ‘selective’ memory ๐Ÿ˜‰ - I am referring to the sort of Synoptics that deliver a ‘prolonged’ easterly spell not a three day wonder. The sort of spell - dry a lot of the time - but consecutive sub zero days that create icicles longer than my little finger. 


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Gusty
29 December 2019 10:20:09

More of the same this morning.


Some very high temperatures continue to look possible to the lee of high ground in the NE before and after the notable brief arctic incursion circa 4th January. Conversely, some very cold overnight minima for much of England next week possible too after the arctic incursion gets trapped under the inversion...worth keeping an eye for faux cold.


P1 on the GEFS suite this morning, albeit an absolute cold outlier, demonstrates just how quickly things can change.


It goes to show that all that is needed is the displacement of the PV and not its obliteration to deliver UK cold.


Getting the PV displaced southwards is a completely different matter however !


Have a good day everyone. 


 


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The Beast from the East
29 December 2019 10:25:08

high more dominant this run. Hopefully get some spring sunshine



 


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The Beast from the East
29 December 2019 10:27:56


It means we need the complete shut down of the NAD 


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Or it means a booming UK wine industry and we can start growing oranges and stuff to undercut the EU. Bring it on


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tallyho_83
29 December 2019 10:33:52


 


It was not an outlier. That's when there is absolutely no support for the operational run in the ensembles: you can see from the chart that it was never out on it's own, just amongst the coldest options at the end of the run.


The control was also cold at the end but via an easterly, i.e. A completely different evolution to the Op.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Now control has gone westerly so completely different. 


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tallyho_83
29 December 2019 10:50:19

For 7th Jan - This is an exceptionally mild Europe and Western Russia:


Winds coming from the canaries and Azores.


I really don't think it can get much worse if you want cold and snow? At this chart you're looking at 2,000 miles of HP aren't you? Furthermore look at temperatures. Thought the N. Hemisphere view shows the extent of this mild weather. You have to go to the east of Urals to experience temperatures well below freezing. Other than that many parts are well above or down to freezing and best. Even parts of Scandinavia are +3-6c. Remarkable really! - If this comes about. Classic summer chart though. Just terrible winter one.




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ballamar
29 December 2019 11:07:56
www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_372_1.png

Perfect January chart
Gusty
29 December 2019 11:17:49

Lets ditch the chase for snow..its rare in any case and generally reserved for later in January / February.


In the mean time we should be looking to enjoy some wonderful winter warmth (in places), the ceasing of the deluge, sunnier days and potentially some very seasonal frosts next week.


My hunch is that high pressure will get sucked towards Greeny from mid January pushing a very well developed PV deep into Scandinavia and then Eastern Europe, thus opening up the gate to a very cold arctic outbreak as a result. 


Lots to enjoy before all that though.... 


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Hungry Tiger
29 December 2019 11:21:02


For 7th Jan - This is an exceptionally mild Europe and Western Russia:


Winds coming from the canaries and Azores.


I really don't think it can get much worse if you want cold and snow? At this chart you're looking at 2,000 miles of HP aren't you? Furthermore look at temperatures. Thought the N. Hemisphere view shows the extent of this mild weather. You have to go to the east of Urals to experience temperatures well below freezing. Other than that many parts are well above or down to freezing and best. Even parts of Scandinavia are +3-6c. Remarkable really! - If this comes about. Classic summer chart though. Just terrible winter one.




Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Moscow had its warmest Xmas Eve on record with a temp of 8C.


Melted all the snow.


 


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tallyho_83
29 December 2019 11:29:34


 


Moscow had its warmest Xmas Eve on record with a temp of 8C.


Melted all the snow.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Yes friend near Yaroslavl N.E Moscow said it was 8c with light drizzle on Xmas even - almost as bad as England. He had never seen it so warm and wet in Moscow and he is a MUSCKAVITE. There has only been snow showers and sleet or a minor dusting that has not lasted more than a day in Moscow so far this winter - and it's almost January.


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tallyho_83
29 December 2019 11:34:49

06z GEFS ENS have trended a round 1c colder than in the 00z run for mid to end, also we have a few colder runs now and lost a few of thos mild +10c @ 850hpa towards the end of run- It seems drier each run but still a long way to go? Can this HP build further north into Svalbard Iceland and then Greenland and eventually become HLB? We shall see? Hope this will be a start.



 


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Gandalf The White
29 December 2019 11:56:26


 


Maybe I should of specified my ‘selective’ memory ๐Ÿ˜‰ - I am referring to the sort of Synoptics that deliver a ‘prolonged’ easterly spell not a three day wonder. The sort of spell - dry a lot of the time - but consecutive sub zero days that create icicles longer than my little finger. 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed. I almost posted the same comment last night, as it was obvious that Four was missing the point. The reason I didn't bother is that Four consistently misses the point when there's any whiff of Voldemort in the discussions.


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Brian Gaze
29 December 2019 12:22:26

GEFS 06z looks consistent with recent updates. Cooler incursion later in the week continues to be shown and in the northern half of the UK it may provide some interest. Otherwise it is lipstick on a pig for cold weather fans.



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marting
29 December 2019 12:43:06

The GEFS however when viewed in detail offer quite some hope of a change with high pressure retrogression to some decent areas in about half the runs. All out in FI at present.


Martin


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Brian Gaze
29 December 2019 12:47:44


The GEFS however when viewed in detail offer quite some hope of a change with high pressure retrogression to some decent areas in about half the runs. All out in FI at present.


Martin


Originally Posted by: marting 


At a glance I would say 4 or 5 are conducive to a colder period by 384. I stand by my comment. Lipstick on a pig. However, things could change quickly and if they do I will be happy to acknowledge that.



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Gusty
29 December 2019 12:48:35


 Indeed. I almost posted the same comment last night, as it was obvious that Four was missing the point. The reason I didn't bother is that Four consistently misses the point when there's any whiff of Voldemort in the discussions.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Four has a frighteningly wreckless attitude with regard to the climate warming emergency but that's not for this thread.


Although the uppers continue to un-impress from deep wintry potential perspective the surface temperatures down here in the SE will certainly feel like proper winter courtesy of cold air trapped under an inversion next week. 


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picturesareme
29 December 2019 13:13:47


 


Maybe I should of specified my ‘selective’ memory ๐Ÿ˜‰ - I am referring to the sort of Synoptics that deliver a ‘prolonged’ easterly spell not a three day wonder. The sort of spell - dry a lot of the time - but consecutive sub zero days that create icicles longer than my little finger. 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Exactly like March 2018.. sever day's of sub zero maxes, icicles, and even the sea freezing on the IOW.

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