The Weather Outlook

Remove ads from site

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
27 July 2019 22:32:24

 Do you know the precise location of the sensor at Botanic Gardens station  I assumed wrongly of its location apologies.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

On this MetOffice website page the map of the official observing stations gives the location of the CUBG site as:

Cambridge, Botanic Garden

Location: 52.194, 0.131

 

Although on inspection, the Google satellite view seems to think it's at:

 

Location: 52.194, 0.129

 

 

Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

picturesareme
27 July 2019 22:59:53

I am hoping the record verifies, just so we can say new records for heat have been set in the 90s, 00s and 10s as we enter the 20s next year!

Originally Posted by: RobR 

Let's not forget that cold temp record's were also set in the 90's, 10's. 😏 

And so did the 80's so the 00's you could argue we were unlucky.

Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 05:31:16

The above extracts are from the website of the University of Cambridge Digital Technology Group station, which is run by software engineers - hence the reference to William Gates building - and is in the west of the city.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Cambridge University Botanic Gardens station which is in the south of the city.

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Oh!  I thought it was an official statement regarding the station where the record temp was being verified!  It was a bit vague.   

Market Warsop, North Nottinghamshire.

Join the fun and banter of the monthly CET competition.

Retron
28 July 2019 06:23:31

From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/


I await the results with bated breath!

Leysdown, north Kent
RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 06:48:44

From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/


I await the results with bated breath!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

The historical aerial imagery of the site posted earlier do not inspire confidence.

This image perhaps demonstrates the regard shown for the weather station at Cambridge Botanic Garden:

http://web.yurgn31.50mail.com/CambridgeBG.jpg

Originally Posted by: james 

Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 07:02:58

Oh!  I thought it was an official statement regarding the station where the record temp was being verified!  It was a bit vague.   

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Indeed. The selective quotes were taken from this page on the DTG website and refer to this station. It's not exactly standard exposure - note the air con unit on the same roof in the background!

Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Brian Gaze
28 July 2019 07:12:08

From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/


I await the results with bated breath!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

If that turns out to be the case it will be a complete and utter debacle. I've reviewed a number of photos and have drawn no conclusions.

Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

TWO Buzz - get the latest news and views 

"I'm not socialist, I know that. I don't believe in sharing my money." - Gary Numan

Col
  • Col
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 07:13:15

 

Indeed. The selective quotes were taken from this page on the DTG website and refer to this station. It's not exactly standard exposure - note the air con unit on the same roof in the background!

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Seems like quite a tale of woe of malfunctions & mishaps over the years. Quite a shambles to be honest. Surely this isn't normal for most weather stations?

Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 07:26:59

 

Seems like quite a tale of woe of malfunctions & mishaps over the years. Quite a shambles to be honest. Surely this isn't normal for most weather stations?

Originally Posted by: Col 

For clarification: This DTG station isn't an official station. It's a experiment set up by a group of software engineers in the University Computer Laboratory. It is unreliable in my opinion.

It has nothing to do with the Botanic Gardens site.

However, some climate sceptic bloggers are using the DTG readings as a means of discrediting the Botanic Gardens site reading!

Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 07:29:18

Indeed. The selective quotes were taken from this page on the DTG website and refer to this station. It's not exactly standard exposure - note the air con unit on the same roof in the background!

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Thanks for clarifying Rob!  

I completely misunderstood PL’s post!  I thought he was reporting news about the station due to verify the record temp. 

Market Warsop, North Nottinghamshire.

Join the fun and banter of the monthly CET competition.

KevBrads1
28 July 2019 07:30:05

Its funny how the very recent heat records have been broken during the less than brilliant summers and not during the two good summers of this decade, 2013 and 2018.

 

MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

Col
  • Col
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 07:39:10

 

For clarification: This DTG station isn't an official station. It's a experiment set up by a group of software engineers in the University Computer Laboratory. It is unreliable in my opinion.

It has nothing to do with the Botanic Gardens site.

However, some climate sceptic bloggers are using the DTG readings as a means of discrediting the Botanic Gardens site reading!

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Yes, I do realise that it is nothing to do with Cambridge Botanic Gardens or even an official station. I was simply commenting upon the rather shambolic manner it appears to have been run and wondering whether other stations have similar problems.

I wonder if those deniers know they are not even talking about the same station or they are deliberately spreading misinformation. I wouldn't really liike to say.

 

Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Brian Gaze
28 July 2019 07:41:51

I wonder if those deniers know they are not even talking about the same station or they are deliberately spreading misinformation. I wouldn't really liike to say. 

Originally Posted by: Col 

IMO they would be better off asking questions about the station that made the report.

Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

TWO Buzz - get the latest news and views 

"I'm not socialist, I know that. I don't believe in sharing my money." - Gary Numan

Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 07:56:45

I think this is even more messy than it first appeared to be!  It may well be due to people getting hold of the wrong end of the stick and jumping to conclusions.  But Perhaps if the Met office had been more precise with their reports in the first place, there would have been less confusion and more confidence in their data and methodology.  

Market Warsop, North Nottinghamshire.

Join the fun and banter of the monthly CET competition.

Polar Low
28 July 2019 08:30:35

Apologies Caz, it was my fault I was looking at the locations in Cambridge 

Thanks Rob for picking it up.

Thanks for clarifying Rob!  

I completely misunderstood PL’s post!  I thought he was reporting news about the station due to verify the record temp. 

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 08:43:34

Apologies Caz, it was my fault I was looking at the locations in Cambridge 

Thanks Rob for picking it up.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

I understand now.  No problem!  

However, if you can get it wrong, as someone who has worked with theses stations, you can surely see why the general public get it wrong and why people are confused.  Seems it’s an easy mistake to make and a good reason for the Met office to overhaul their system. 

Market Warsop, North Nottinghamshire.

Join the fun and banter of the monthly CET competition.

David M Porter
28 July 2019 08:46:38

I could be wrong, but I do wonder whether this "new record" from Thursday could end up a bit like late June last year when it was claimed for a time that Scotland had broken its' all time highest temperature record. Someone made mention of that in this thread the other day.

Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

Col
  • Col
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 09:12:56

I could be wrong, but I do wonder whether this "new record" from Thursday could end up a bit like late June last year when it was claimed for a time that Scotland had broken its' all time highest temperature record. Someone made mention of that in this thread the other day.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Ah yes, the infamous 'ice cream van' incident. However notwithstanding that I do recall that the site was far from ideal anyway, a somewhat jumbled mess of junk, some kind of a boatyard I think.

Anyway, isn't this why there is the verification process in the first place, to ensure that any potential record is valid? If it takes a few days then so be it. That is far better than hastily proclaiming a new record then having to retract it when it comes to light the site isn't of an acceptable standard. Now that really would be embarassing for the Met Office.

Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 10:42:36

Anyway, isn't this why there is the verification process in the first place, to ensure that any potential record is valid? If it takes a few days then so be it. That is far better than hastily proclaiming a new record then having to retract it when it comes to light the site isn't of an acceptable standard. Now that really would be embarassing for the Met Office.

Originally Posted by: Col 

I quite agree with your first point, which is why I am puzzled why the Met Office were very quick to proclaim the NIAB July record, but are prevaricating about the CUBG national record. A record is a record and should always need verification.

On your last point, it appears that embarrassment is no longer a thing that troubles organisations or public figures.  They just shrug it off and pass it to their PR people to deal with. 

Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Hungry Tiger
28 July 2019 10:48:58

From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/


I await the results with bated breath!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

I hope it's verified.

 

Gavin S. FRmetS.

TWO Moderator.

Contact the TWO team - [email protected]

South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.



RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
28 July 2019 10:53:36

More blogger onslaught on the CUBG provisional record.

Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

scillydave
28 July 2019 13:26:03
Looks like Shetland will be the hottest place in the UK today - that very rarely happens especially in Summer. The last of the heat from last week is swirling around up there and they have a forecast high of 26 - very warm for them.
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Hungry Tiger
28 July 2019 13:30:38

More blogger onslaught on the CUBG provisional record.

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Looking at all that - That is being far too pedantic and using just about any excuse possible to discount it.

It's in a proper Stevensons Screen - Yes the grass has grown a bit - but so what - the big buildings are some distance away.

 

Gavin S. FRmetS.

TWO Moderator.

Contact the TWO team - [email protected]

South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.



Bolty
28 July 2019 13:33:10

Looks like Shetland will be the hottest place in the UK today - that very rarely happens especially in Summer. The last of the heat from last week is swirling around up there and they have a forecast high of 26 - very warm for them.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

That has to be a record for Shetland, surely?

Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

My weather station 

picturesareme
28 July 2019 13:41:31

Looks like Shetland will be the hottest place in the UK today - that very rarely happens especially in Summer. The last of the heat from last week is swirling around up there and they have a forecast high of 26 - very warm for them.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

Doubt it when temps are widely in the mid 20's down in the south - 25.6C currently at my location.

Remove ads from site