I am sure you'll get more summers this year.

Maybe a couple if we’re lucky.

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Really could do with a good blast of rain here if just to keep the pollen level down. Have always been prone to hayfever but this year it is on another level.

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Don't forget the slight IO flareup next week, which will try to give us some low pressure. Nothing like earlier in June, but still probably some welcome rain. 

I see what you mean, though I think it'll need to be a bit stronger than currently modelled to do much more than drop a low down into Europe next week (12z FV3-style) which may or may not cross the UK on the way down.

Thereafter, there may be another attempt depending on how persistent the IO convection proves to be. FV3 12z showing perhaps one of the worst case scenarios there - with the Arctic heights no longer anomalously high, it'd be strange to see such south-tracking, slow-moving troughs at the UK's latitude. We live in peculiar times, though!

Personally, no rain will be welcome here until at least another few weeks from now. I'm fine with watering the garden in the meantime, if it means fine, warm evenings to enjoy around that.

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The definition of a prefect summer's day here for me today.

24C with low humidity, deep blue skies and a gentle breeze.

Bliss.

I'll second that one - That's a perfect summers day imo.

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Yep, it's been a stunning week here with the pleasant conditions described above. I've been fortunate enough, especially today, to be outside in it for much of the time 🙂

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The definition of a prefect summer's day here for me today.

24C with low humidity, deep blue skies and a gentle breeze.

Bliss.

 

Depends where I am and what I'm doing!

It's a bit 'meh' for being on the beach; want s few more degrees than that, ideally into the 30s. So you feel like you need to go in the sea to cool down!

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Depends where I am and what I'm doing!

It's a bit 'meh' for being on the beach; want s few more degrees than that, ideally into the 30s. So you feel like you need to go in the sea to cool down!

ditto.

Yep, it's been a stunning week here with the pleasant conditions described above. I've been fortunate enough, especially today, to be outside in it for much of the time :)

 Same here!  Just perfect for walking in the countryside and pottering in the garden.  24c with a light breeze is my perfect summer day, especially when it stays warm enough to sit outside in the evenings but not too hot and muggy to sleep.  Unless I’m on holiday, in which case 28 to 30c on a beach is more like it.  

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Manchester Summer Indices 

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
2019 179 (up to 4th July)
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2017 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194 

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Forgot to mention that it made it into the 25s here yesterday, which felt fantastic thanks to comfortable humidity.

Today's got a more humid feel, and with very light winds, it felt sultry by my coffee break at 10:30 am. Air temp was already into the 22s, which is not bad going when there's not a big draw of hot air from the south.

Right now, the first cloud cover in a few days is overhead, but it's thin cirrus with specks of high-based cumulus (cirrocumulus...?), so the sun's still findings its way through in a hazy fashion. Air temp's in the 24s and still climbing.

The sea breeze didn't make it this far inland yesterday and it's not even evident at Bournemouth Airport yet today, where it's currently somewhere in the 25s, maybe 26s (only have the 11:20 25*C integer report to judge by).

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Manchester Summer Indices 

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
2019 179 (up to 4th July)
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2017 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194 

Kev, are the figures for previous years just up to the current date, or are they final summer figures?  What did we end up with last year?

I do like to see the Manchester index and I wish someone would do it for other areas for comparison!  I know.  I said that last year and you explained the formula that you use!  

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Forgot to mention that it made it into the 25s here yesterday, which felt fantastic thanks to comfortable humidity.

Today's got a more humid feel, and with very light winds, it felt sultry by my coffee break at 10:30 am. Air temp was already into the 22s, which is not bad going when there's not a big draw of hot air from the south.

Right now, the first cloud cover in a few days is overhead, but it's thin cirrus with specks of high-based cumulus (cirrocumulus...?), so the sun's still findings its way through in a hazy fashion. Air temp's in the 24s and still climbing.

The sea breeze didn't make it this far inland yesterday and it's not even evident at Bournemouth Airport yet today, where it's currently somewhere in the 25s, maybe 26s (only have the 11:20 25*C integer report to judge by).

Much the same here though further west than you. 26C with light variable wind and very pleasant. Certainly not Eeyore weather here today though I appreciate it's completely different the further into the deep North you go.

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Kev, are the figures for previous years just up to the current date, or are they final summer figures?  What did we end up with last year?

I do like to see the Manchester index and I wish someone would do it for other areas for comparison!  I know.  I said that last year and you explained the formula that you use!  

Rather interestingly, I was looking back on the archives and found an old post on the netweather forum from back in 2009 where KevBrads (who has the user name of weather-history over on the netweather forum) posted the formula which is used to calculate the Manchester Summer Index.

I'm sure that there has been at least one similar post here in the TWO forum as well, although I'm not sure how easy that would be to find because I'm sure that Brian cleared out a lot of the really old posts from here at around the time when he moved everything over onto a new server.

Anyway, the formula according to that post states that the Manchester summer index = 10 x [(mean maximum temperature during summer) + (total hours of sunshine) / 67 - (rain days)].

I'm not sure if that is the formula which he still uses for that today, but it was the one which he used back then in 2009 on that old netweather post.

A lot of the replies in that old netweather forum post questioned what he meant by rain days, but I always go by number of days where there has been at least 1.0 mm of rain since that is the only such measure against which there is an actual long-term 1981-2010 average as defined by the Met Office, although that might not necessarily be the same definition which Kev uses here.

Furthermore, I would also imagine that the data for this would need to come from a whole range of weather stations across Manchester which is after all, one of the largest cities in the UK (that would equally be true even for a much smaller city such as here in Edinburgh).

Kev could just use his own data for that and refer to the result as the Manchester Summer Index. However, Bolty (as just one other example) could equally use his own data for that and the result of this could equally be referred to as the Manchester Summer Index which would be equally valid since he is also within that same city of Manchester.

Yet, the results of that from Kev would technically be different from the results for that from Bolty because although this comes from two sets of data for the same city, this data would be different for each of those two locations and as we all know, data (such as rainfall amounts) can vary quite a lot even within the same local area. That is why I'm assuming that the data is taken from a number of locations spread right across Manchester, rather than just a single location.

Nevertheless, there is no reason why a similar thing can also be done for other towns and cities across the UK and it would be interesting to see what the results of that actually were.

 

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Yet another day of vile grey skies and rain. It’s just day in day out of stupefying dull, grey and depressing rubbish in this abomination of a summer month

Yet another spell of the excruciating permacast hell which has come to define summer since 2007 and is nothing on earth like the weather we used to get when we had a changeable climate.

Not a single day in this disgusting week suitable for sitting out in the garden and a totally rank weekend coming up. Thank god I’m getting away. Looks like proper summer is finally arriving in Portugal which is a relief after the nine days of gloom I will have endured by the time I get there. A colleague who is not going on a foreign holiday this year was really hacked off looking at the shockingly bad forecast.

It’s basically another July 2012 but, if anything worse, without even a semblance of basic warmth i.e. the temperature reaching 20C. Only 1.5C above average in this supposedly warmest month, and should be reached at least a couple of times a week, yet these days it feels like climbing a mountain to actually get there

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Sunny, warmish and very breezy. Just been the chippy and it had the feel of being near the seaside.

Just needed a few seagulls squawking to round off the pretence.

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Been alright here recently, 8 of the last 9 days have been above 20c so summer has arrived. Looks similar in the near future with daytime temps about 20c which will suit me fine.

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Relatively disappointing here today; started promising with sunny skies and temps rocketing, but then a belt of upper divergence strengthened beyond expectations and gradually turned conditions cloudier... and muggier. In fact, it feels extremely clammy here this evening, despite the relative humidity only being in the high 50s to low 60s.

I'm alright with a max of 25.3*C out of context, but compared to what could have been achieved had it stayed sunny, it feels like a shortfall; I was hopeful for reaching the 27s today.

Ah well. I wonder if this pesky upper divergence will still be over here tomorrow... signs are it will be, and could even produce a few showers. Could still manage 23-24*C even so, if the sun breaks through more than occasionally.

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A lot of the replies in that old netweather forum post questioned what he meant by rain days, but I always go by number of days where there has been at least 1.0 mm of rain since that is the only such measure against which there is an actual long-term 1981-2010 average as defined by the Met Office, although that might not necessarily be the same definition which Kev uses here.

the problem with that (though not really wanting to start an argument) is that you can have a day of continuous drizzle from dawn to dusk, or one of stunning warm sunshine and a brief thundery shower lasting a minute, and they both count the same ....

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Kev, are the figures for previous years just up to the current date, or are they final summer figures?  What did we end up with last year?

I do like to see the Manchester index and I wish someone would do it for other areas for comparison!  I know.  I said that last year and you explained the formula that you use!  

They are compared to final figures, last summer was 272. May to July 2018 was about 296, that was how exceptional it was. Summer 1976 was 301. 

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They are compared to final figures, last summer was 272. May to July 2018 was about 296, that was how exceptional it was. Summer 1976 was 301. 

  Thanks Kev!  

I do like your stats but your new avatar is really scary!  

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