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Gandalf The White
19 January 2019 22:13:10

 

I was hoping you would educate me...

What am I missing? 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

upper air temperatures perhaps?

Thickness values (500-1,000 hPa) 520 to 528 from north to south.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Chunky Pea
19 January 2019 22:22:27

 

upper air temperatures perhaps?

Thickness values (500-1,000 hPa) 520 to 528 from north to south.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Hardly extraordinary though, but I see your point. But in terms of actual 'potency', this westerly falls far short. Hopefully the next round progged for next week will bring something a bit more active. It probably won't, but one can only hope. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Gooner
19 January 2019 22:38:48

Not joking or blind, but perhaps I am missing something?

http://brunnur.vedur.is/kort/ecm0125/2019/01/19/12/ecm0125_nat_msl_t850_6urk_2019011912_078.jpg 

 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Not April weather 

Cold unsettled snow in places 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gooner
19 January 2019 22:47:02

Is this the result of the SSW


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gooner
19 January 2019 22:50:31

If only - snow in abundance in that flow 

 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



nsrobins
19 January 2019 23:14:27

If only - snow in abundance in that flow 

 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I’m obviously a tad battle weary. In all respects that is a phenomenal chart - almost cross polar flow.

Its a testimony to the last few weeks of trials and tribulations that because of the date stamp it only raises one eyebrow.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Chiltern Blizzard
19 January 2019 23:14:47
GFS 18z OP seems to have just pushed back Synoptics we were “expecting” by 5 days or so. T+240 potentially very snowy!
Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
kmoorman
19 January 2019 23:23:04

GFS 18z OP seems to have just pushed back Synoptics we were “expecting” by 5 days or so. T+240 potentially very snowy!

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

 

Forgive me for being somewhat sceptical.  Let's see where the ensemble takes us. 


Home: Durrington, Worthing, West Sussex. (16 ASL)

Work: Canary Wharf, London

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Rob K
19 January 2019 23:28:51
Short ensembles have flipped almost completely now. Only two cold easterlies remaining.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Arbroath 1320
19 January 2019 23:31:45

GFS 18z. Here we go again. Who's going to get sacked in this time ha hatongue-out


Kenmore, Highland Perthshire, GGTTH
picturesareme
19 January 2019 23:34:27
The writing is in BIG BOLD letters on the wall now.. once again like dangling string and cats folk have gotten all hopes up about fantasy land.

Roll on spring, the days are getting longer and it it's only a matter of weeks now before the sun will feel warm on the skin.

Rob K
19 January 2019 23:41:01
The GEFS ensemble mean at 276 hours looks mostly unchanged from the 300hr mean yesterday. Greenland high and trough over the UK.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

tallyho_83
19 January 2019 23:43:03

Short ensembles have flipped almost completely now. Only two cold easterlies remaining.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Which is not only worrying but how can we be sure that these northerlies the models show won't flip-flop? If it can happen by easterlies, then it can by northerlies!! I think that winterstorm over the eastern seaboard didn't help really as it's blasted up the jet and raced the LP systems across the Atlantic and not giving any Scandi HP or blocking time to build at northern latitudes! Sods law really! 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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tallyho_83
19 January 2019 23:47:01

18z GFS ensembles for London: - Looks new to me:

Both operational run & control take us into the freezer as you can see!

But in the more reliable time frame on 22nd/23rd we have -7 or so uppers with some precipitation! Could be snow? 

Shame it goes average to milder but only for a time. - Just hope the FI charts don't downgrade then if we cant get the easterly end of next week!! - At least there is the snow potential for many Monday night into Tuesday.


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Magical Moon

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Gavin P
19 January 2019 23:50:18

18z GFS ensembles for London: - Looks new to me:

Both operational run & control take us into the freezer as you can see!

But in the more reliable time frame on 22nd/23rd we have -7 or so uppers with some precipitation! Could be snow? 

Shame it goes average to milder but only for a time. - Just hope the FI charts don't downgrade then if we cant get the easterly end of next week!! - At least there is the snow potential for many Monday night into Tuesday.

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Oh yeah... That's pretty funky!


Rural West Northants 120m asl

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Whether Idle
19 January 2019 23:50:44

 

I’m obviously a tad battle weary. 

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Chin Chin.  There is weeks of this to come.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Chunky Pea
19 January 2019 23:51:46

 

Which is not only worrying but how can we be sure that these northerlies the models show won't flip-flop? If it can happen by easterlies, then it can by northerlies!! I think that winterstorm over the eastern seaboard didn't help really as it's blasted up the jet and raced the LP systems across the Atlantic and not giving any Scandi HP or blocking time to build at northern latitudes! Sods law really! 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Once (or should I say 'if') synoptic scale troughing develops over Europe, it isn't going to matter if the jet gets 'blasted up', because there is only one primary route that it will take. 

 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

kmoorman
19 January 2019 23:52:17

18z GFS ensembles for London: - Looks new to me:

Both operational run & control take us into the freezer as you can see!

But in the more reliable time frame on 22nd/23rd we have -7 or so uppers with some precipitation! Could be snow? 

Shame it goes average to milder but only for a time. - Just hope the FI charts don't downgrade then if we cant get the easterly end of next week!! - At least there is the snow potential for many Monday night into Tuesday.

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

What strikes me as odd is the Op, Control and probably Para runs all go very cold later, but very few other ensemble members go with them. 


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tallyho_83
20 January 2019 00:23:59

 

 

What strikes me as odd is the Op, Control and probably Para runs all go very cold later, but very few other ensemble members go with them. 

Originally Posted by: kmoorman 

That's my concern too! The GFS is not well supported. There is so much scatter going on as well. 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Magical Moon

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BJBlake
20 January 2019 00:33:25

The trend is for the high level jet stream to dive south: However, predicting this is like trying to predict a fire hose thrashing about with no-one holding it. As modeled  - it is a beautiful thing!

 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
tallyho_83
20 January 2019 00:34:00

JUST FOR FUN the 18z temp ensembles @ 850hpa for New York City: - The new ensemble chart is pretty cool actually!

Hands up those who can detect the precipitation spikes from the temp ensembles?


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

backtobasics
20 January 2019 01:20:37
Ive been busy today and just looked at tonight’s ECM 12z and GFS 18z and output looks promising to me. Chances of a decent spell of winter weather still very much on offer, don’t get any despondency, maybe my expectations are lower .... the models have shown a recurring theme of high pressure ridging in Atlantic allowing some pretty cold north westerly shots possibly veering north and north easterly, possibly a repeat chance of what we missed out on this week. Chin up guys and gals, I think tomorrow’s output will be interesting.
Whether Idle
20 January 2019 06:11:21

GFS for day 5:

UUKMO day 6:

Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions

GFS day 12: (Don't get Fooled Again!)

 

 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
doctormog
20 January 2019 07:18:17
Day 5/6 is of course milder than almost any other part of the output. The general pattern remains cold with less cold interludes. You don’t need to wait until day 12 for wintry potential.
Weathermac
20 January 2019 08:05:21

GFS for day 5:

UUKMO day 6:

Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions

GFS day 12: (Don't get Fooled Again!)

 

 

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

 

Not a case of getting fooled it just highlights the uncertainty so i wouldnt put your faith in any one run just now .

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