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UncleAlbert
04 January 2019 19:11:04

Ian F just on Points West in Bristol showed a brilliant graphic of the SSW encroaching on to our side of the pole also a brilliant trop chart showing blocking to the west and an arctic flow over us. Said how they were keeping an eye on this with the possibility of much colder conditions moving in for the last third of the month.  Didn't notice the timescale on the trop chart but assuming this was in line with the prediction.

Sasa
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04 January 2019 21:00:39

One point worth making is the evolution we are seeing this month is different to what some of the Met Office folk were briefing a couple of weeks ago. The suggestion was that our jelly high would migrate to Scandinavia. That could still happen of course and the reality is that most members of the public aren't bothered if it goes on a vacation to Timbuktu - if it's cold it's cold and if it's mild it's mild. 

Anyway it appears the uncertainty continues this evening. The GEFS 12z is milder in the longer term than the 6z.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/ensemble-forecast.aspx?location=London

 

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 

For the record and apologies for off topic the other day I posted a link on media thread regarding the outlook for the Alps form the Chamonix weather situation. They are expecting a milder breakthrough from the Atlantic affecting northern France from the 15th and this is what I am seeing on the GFS runs at present.


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Russwirral
04 January 2019 22:50:16
I sense a very cold ending to this runs FI.... alot of cold to the northwest about to pounce... could be a bank run
Russwirral
04 January 2019 23:00:10
backtobasics
04 January 2019 23:01:31
GFS now consistently modeling a repeating pattern with the attacks of cold from north / north west modeling slightly further west each time, ECM hinting at the same.

I suspect some tantalisisng output over next week or so. Long long way to go but my interest has been piqued.

tallyho_83
04 January 2019 23:09:18

Not such a strong potent northerly on 18z run on 15th Jan but the FI looks better in the longer run with heights building across Greenland forcing low pressure systems southwards and southerly tracking jet stream:


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tallyho_83
05 January 2019 00:08:45

18z Parallel seeings things even more blocked by 18th:


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White Meadows
05 January 2019 00:25:21

A really poor night from ECM and lots of disappointment from the general trend.
Let’s hope tomorrow’s 06z blonde run can rescue matters.
Ps. Didn’t that used to be GEM?

Gandalf The White
05 January 2019 01:37:05

A really poor night from ECM and lots of disappointment from the general trend.
Let’s hope tomorrow’s 06z blonde run can rescue matters.
Ps. Didn’t that used to be GEM?

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

ECM 12z was OK; GFS 18z op and v3 were full of potential.

ECM op was amongst the mildest of the ensemble members on  days 7, 8 and 10. Beyond that there’s a marked cooling trend with the dominant cluster signalling cold to very cold conditions.


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tallyho_83
05 January 2019 01:47:56

 

ECM 12z was OK; GFS 18z op and v3 were full of potential.

ECM op was amongst the mildest of the ensemble members on  days 7, 8 and 10. Beyond that there’s a marked cooling trend with the dominant cluster signalling cold to very cold conditions.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

ECM 12Z why was that poor? only goes out to +240.

Plus, did you see some really cold GEFS ensembles on 18z run?

18z Control @ 306z doesn't look to bad either!

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2019 06:21:52

Poor 0z overnight it really is like pulling teeth. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2019 06:25:29

Ok I hadn't looked at the ICON which is good at 180h but everything else is poor even the GFS Para 


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Brian Gaze
05 January 2019 06:41:48

Looks like our jelly high is in danger of becoming legless. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2019 07:10:53

ECM not to bad at day 10 massive Arctic high showing its hand. But we are still at least 10 to 15 days away from any significant cold this morning 


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Bertwhistle
05 January 2019 07:13:26

Looking at the ENS, GFS seems to be undecided WRT what happens on 13th, with a good handful of outputs keeping the HP west and the N or NEly in place. Others including Op and C give warmer more zonal conditions.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx

Add: ECM op echoes the colder options

 


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Heavy Weather 2013
05 January 2019 08:01:23

Poor 0z overnight it really is like pulling teeth. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I really can’t think of a better analogy that this right now. I just get this feeling this high has been in the wrong place for so long. Barely any interesting weather, and rarely any sun. 

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2019 08:18:45

 

I really can’t think of a better analogy that this right now. I just get this feeling this high has been in the wrong place for so long. Barely any interesting weather, and rarely any sun. 

 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

 

Your right I can't remember a more boring winter weatherwise . No cold, no storms,  just cloudy  and mild .

 

 

 

 


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backtobasics
05 January 2019 08:27:43
I’m really not sure why mood is so down beat, maybe it’s all about expectations? The cooler / cooling trend is clearly there through the rest of the month, admittedly no repeats of the beast but more seasonal, definitely! The GFS would see some snow it times particularly further north.
White Meadows
05 January 2019 08:31:19

I’m really not sure why mood is so down beat, maybe it’s all about expectations? The cooler / cooling trend is clearly there through the rest of the month, admittedly no repeats of the beast but more seasonal, definitely! The GFS would see some snow it times particularly further north.

Originally Posted by: backtobasics 

thats the trouble - the SSW has blown expectations way out of proportion. Some still think it is a guaranteed path to a Dickens Christmas card scene.

nsrobins
05 January 2019 08:32:16
The focus is moving towards the development of a strong arctic high as the most likely delayed response to the SSW, which as per UKM text might deliver by week 4 January.

The EC this morning illustrates this scenario as do a few of the GEFS.


Neil

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Gooner
05 January 2019 08:48:09

Still nothing of note , it really is a waiting again and to some extent hoping 


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Whether Idle
05 January 2019 08:55:56

The focus is moving towards the development of a strong arctic high as the most likely delayed response to the SSW, which as per UKM text might deliver by week 4 January.
The EC this morning illustrates this scenario as do a few of the GEFS.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Agreed.  I believe any cold surface response in our part of the world will come from that way and will take time, perhaps into the very end of this month.


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doctormog
05 January 2019 08:57:54
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_192_1.png 

That aside the pattern is clear and in summary:

- we lose the (very useable) anticyclonic conditions with in just over a week
- what follows will be much more unsettled and seemingly alternates between a cold westerly with blasts of colder northerly air at times. The details will almost certainly change continually.
- for those of you interested in something different I think we will need to go through some of these cycles first (3rd and maybe 4th week of January)

The third point is my opinion, the first and second what the consistent pattern has been since the new year.


nsrobins
05 January 2019 09:39:44
This is as clear a description of where we are regards SSW, PV split and surface effects going forward.

http://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/latest-model-guidance-for-the-mid-late-january-winter-weather-across-europe/?fbclid=IwAR1o3oYT7AQejN6HpRGC2lcdeodlHy074x7GKYM6kP15hI3OXFmWDvzBCBk 

2-3week lag. Mean European trough and Arctic high. 2m temp anomalies -2 to -3C UK 16-22nd Jan

Patience again the buzz word.


Neil

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Phil24
05 January 2019 09:41:14

The focus is moving towards the development of a strong arctic high as the most likely delayed response to the SSW, which as per UKM text might deliver by week 4 January.
The EC this morning illustrates this scenario as do a few of the GEFS.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Most sensible post this morning.  Talk about glass half empty prophecies and winter is finished, flipping heck it's January the 5th.  As I mentioned yesterday I don't expect much to show up that points to a more favoured solution for coldies, for at least another week, and that's pretty clear with current outputs.  

Now just consider the current situation.  

1.  ECMWF and GFS are still in quite good agreement on a persisting extensive upper ridge / high pressure system over the northern Atlantic and the Arctic region.  

 2. SSW effect still ongoing and still no signs that the reversal is going to be compromised in the near future.  By the way there is no guarantee that it will produce Armageddon over the UK, but it certainly increases the likelihood, and the way things are panning that shot of something special shouldn't be discounted.  Infact we have at least 8 weeks before we could say well maybe next year.

3. Polar vortex split.

4. If your into sunspot activity and its effects on our atmosphere, you'll be hard pressed to find anything of note right now.

So my glass is half full (again, need to cut back after Crimbo, hic).   

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