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Russwirral
20 November 2018 10:55:07

Off topic I know but our local reservoir is at the lowest level that I have ever seen now. If Nature is to reset the balance we are due a very large amount of ‘precipitation’ in the next six months or so - rain or snow. If not we are in for a serious drought next year (unless the summer is a washout of course).

The unusual weather (imho) continues.

Originally Posted by: Notty 

 

https://www.unitedutilities.com/help-and-support/your-water-supply/reservoir-levels/

 

some are fairing better than others for our area...


tallyho_83
20 November 2018 10:59:57

Just been enjoying looking at the view from the N. Hemisphere showing the temps from N. Pole view down:>

Notice the surge of milder upper air temps which seem to occur on a regular basis which infiltrate northwards pass Svalbard and into the Arctic Also notice the temperatures on either side of the Arctic ARE much colder - Siberia locked into the Freezer at -39c to -42c where the Arctic/N. Pole is a less cold at -18  to -21c! It's some 20c colder on both sides esp Siberia which denotes a split PV so surely something of interest later down the line for a cold weather fan?

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Magical Moon

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Gavin D
20 November 2018 11:08:45

The ECM weeklies have updated

This week as we know is chilly we know with temps below average for a fair few areas

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Week 2 sees a change as the colder air shift east allowing temps to recover for western Europe

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Week 3 sees the temps widely above average for western Europe including the UK and the colder air shifting further east

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Week 4 see the warmth ease off slightly but still remaining widely above average for western Europe

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tallyho_83
20 November 2018 11:41:17

Signs of a potential warming of Stratosphere pushing into the N. Pole from Siberia in FI:

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

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Brian Gaze
20 November 2018 12:43:36

I was hoping to see the GEFS tip cold in the longer term but that still hasn't happened. There are some interesting synoptics as others have noted already but some signs of milder conditions later on. Will be interesting to see if the Met Office update reflects that.


Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
20 November 2018 13:06:22

 

Good afternoon to all.

😉. 

 

The next 9 days as suggested by the UKMO, ECMWF and GFS 00z run from today.

We are expecting temperatures at average at least and some areas may get a bit lower.  Some mist, fog and murk is expected, and winds light or moderate from the SE and also from the NE as well, and Low Pressure very far from us but yes we have weak areas of Low Pressure expected over far South and SW then SE UK, and then Northeast UK as well.

High Pressure over the North and NW and NE Atlantic, Arctic Low Pressure NE Europe NNW Russia and over Svalbard and especially over the Norwegian Sea.

Some Low Pressure in Western and SW parts of WN Atlantic as well as over West and North to NE of Greenland and Newfoundland far NW Atlantic also expected during the next 9 days.

Next week more colder and dry weather with High pressure influencing UK’s weather and N NW Europe’s weather, with more chances of frost at night.

By day 10 aka Friday next week not this week: A breakdown across the UK is possible as the GFS and ECMWF Models bring in active Deep West Central N Atlantic PV Low Pressure across us as High pressure might leave us then. 😀.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

Surrey John
20 November 2018 15:16:03
The London ensembles have a very tight temperature range for next few days,

3 days of increasing temperatures, then an unusual continuous (at same rate) fall for 4 days

But the second week is looking very soggy, regardless of the temperature uncertainty

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 


Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire

35m ASL

Gavin D
20 November 2018 15:33:04

ICON 12z keeps the low out west which keeps the UK in the cooler air with winds coming in from the east

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squish
20 November 2018 16:20:57
Interesting 12z gfs so far. The energy splits and heads under a stronger northern block. Looking cold and possibly much colder down the line ...
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
20 November 2018 16:24:20

Big upgrade for cold from the GFS 12z out to 171h


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Arcus
20 November 2018 16:25:14

Interesting 12z gfs so far. The energy splits and heads under a stronger northern block. Looking cold and possibly much colder down the line ...

Originally Posted by: squish 

Yes, was going to say something similar. UKMO as well continuing its theme of sending energy under the block. ICON 12z too.


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Russwirral
20 November 2018 16:34:06
echoing former comments, whilst its not a snow fest by any means.. this run is focusing more on driving LPS through france or south of UK and keeping the block in charge... The block in question being one linked to artic origin rather than a cell over the UK.

All the ingredients are there...

Im just waiting for that one run where Cold air really gets into the charts and this place then goes into meltdown... at the moment, id say it was a matter of time before we get one of those stella snowfest runs....


tallyho_83
20 November 2018 16:39:02

Cold rain or rain to snow or sleet if this came off? - daytime maxes of +4c


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

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Ally Pally Snowman
20 November 2018 16:48:07

Cold rain or rain to snow or sleet if this came off? - daytime maxes of +4c

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

This chart is so close to being exceptional but not quite on this run

 

 

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gavin D
20 November 2018 16:49:15

GEM starts cold initially with winds from the east then it turns less cold as the low edges closer from the west

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tallyho_83
20 November 2018 16:49:20

+189 - looks like quite a block over the N. pole and Greenland too: Little of any blues or dark purple colours to be seen over the Arctic!?

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

Notty
20 November 2018 16:53:12
I can’t prove it but I always have the feeling that the GFS three weeks out ‘picks up’ trends for cold then drops them for a week only to pick up again about a week out.

Probably I’m just hopecasting but who knows.


Notty

Pontypool, 132m asl

Russwirral
20 November 2018 17:03:40

I can’t prove it but I always have the feeling that the GFS three weeks out ‘picks up’ trends for cold then drops them for a week only to pick up again about a week out.

Probably I’m just hopecasting but who knows.

Originally Posted by: Notty 

 

ive noticed that this past year.. did it loads last late winter, early spring.  Its like it thinks of an idea... doubts itself to then realise it was right all along. 


Gavin D
20 November 2018 17:55:38

NAVGEM and GFS P both get the low to the UK 

NAVGEM

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GFS P 

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some faraway beach
20 November 2018 18:59:05

I can’t prove it but I always have the feeling that the GFS three weeks out ‘picks up’ trends for cold then drops them for a week only to pick up again about a week out.

Probably I’m just hopecasting but who knows.

Originally Posted by: Notty 

The GFS only goes out a couple of weeks, rather than three. But I take your point.

I think, though, it's more a reflection of the fact that any model run beyond day 10 might as well be completely random. 


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.

Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.

pdiddy
20 November 2018 19:35:16
lots of chopping and changing from the models, so it's clear this set up is difficult for them to accurately predict. For cold in the medium to longer term, I'm happy enough to see the lack of low heights across Canada and Greenland. No obvious deep cold for now, but I think we may seem some opportunities present themselves in the next week or so's model runs.
Polar Low
20 November 2018 21:01:19

Pretty much spot on from gfs Snow now in Kent

https://www.metcheck.com/WEATHER/precipitype.asp#

 

 

cant rule it out for kent wet bulb T would be slumping fast in any heavy showers tough call as ever elevation will help

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Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

tallyho_83
20 November 2018 23:36:42

Talk about a split PV: - Look how cold it is either side of the Arctic - esp the central Russian/Siberian side in comparison as to where the Arctic is:

A week from the 5th in FI and bamo! were in the freezer! 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

Brian Gaze
21 November 2018 06:26:58

The angle now looks like a possible risk of serious flooding in the southern half of the UK during the next few weeks. Not sure about ground water levels but it looks as though a lot of rain is on the way.


Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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Retron
21 November 2018 06:35:06

The angle now looks like a possible risk of serious flooding in the southern half of the UK during the next few weeks. Not sure about ground water levels but it looks as though a lot of rain is on the way.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

"Be it dry or be it wet, nature always pays her debt".

Groundwater levels vary from fine to rather low down in Southern Water's area, so if the GFS is right - big if! - and there's a lot of rain, it'll do some good in the longer term. In the short term though yes, there could well be surface flooding.

https://www.southernwater.co.uk/groundwater

 


Leysdown, north Kent

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