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roadrunnerajn
10 September 2018 06:11:17
It looks like Belize City might get a direct hit...
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DEW
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10 September 2018 06:39:16

All too much to summarise! Read the detail on Florence at

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Hurricane-Florence-Expected-Rapidly-Intensify-Serious-Rainfall-Threat-US-East-Coast

and the latest maps show a direct onshore hit as a cat 4, unusually powerful for so far north. For all the rest:

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/More-Flo-Latest-Helene-Isaac-Olivia-Paul-Mangkhut

 

For, Caz, by the way, Isaac looks as if it will weaken, ironically because of wind shear created by outflow from Florence. But there's a local disturbance showing up which may give Cancun thunderstorms before developing properly on the other side of the peninsula on its way to Texas. https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc 


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nsrobins
10 September 2018 07:45:09

It looks like Belize City might get a direct hit...

Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 

I assume you’re referring to Issac, which right at the end of its track envelope takes whatever remains of the system close to the Central Americas. It’s a little too early to be predicting the track or intensity of Issac at this stage and somewhat incongruous considering the primary concern and discussion is about Florence at this stage. 

Meanwhile the sat signature of Florence is improving rapidly and significant intensification is expected today.


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tallyho_83
10 September 2018 09:45:09

It looks like Belize City might get a direct hit...

Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 

Are you talking about Isaac?

From Ernesto it was a direct hit more or less - the above map showing the track of Ernesto did go to the south of Cancun - we were lucky! Cancun - as you know is in the top right of the map and was under tropical storm watch!

I think ISAAC could lose it's intensity or could re intensity or change direction but at the moment it's going toward the same direction as Ernesto did in August 2012. 


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tallyho_83
10 September 2018 09:58:15

Not sure if i can see Florence making landfall as a cat 4, 3 or cat 2? it's not clear yet.

It's only Florence and Isaac that is of course of conern - Helene looks like it will weaken.

 

 


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tallyho_83
10 September 2018 10:07:21
Latest forecast re Florence:


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Girthmeister
10 September 2018 10:14:41
https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES16/ABI/SECTOR/taw/GEOCOLOR/  - you can see the progressive images of the three systems. Some beautiful high-res imagery.
tallyho_83
10 September 2018 10:39:20
https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES16/ABI/SECTOR/taw/GEOCOLOR/  - you can see the progressive images of the three systems. Some beautiful high-res imagery.

 

Thanks for sharing that - took me ages to go through - wish they had a sequence so you can click play and see it develop in slow motion! The latest looks impressive:

3 confirmed hurricanes in the Tropical Atlantic now. 


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10 September 2018 10:47:10

Latest forecast re Florence:

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Interesting Rule of Thumb given in the video: 100/forward speed (in mph) = rainfall (in inches). For Florence, that gives 17" on the coastal region of North Carolina.


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nsrobins
10 September 2018 11:08:57

 

Interesting Rule of Thumb given in the video: 100/forward speed (in mph) = rainfall (in inches). For Florence, that gives 17" on the coastal region of North Carolina.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

And if the system stalls ala Harvey, that would be an infinite amount of rain? 

Joking aside, all impacts have high potential but the amount of rainfall it could deliver should the forecast CONUS high block the forward motion post day 5 would be disaster level IMO


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picturesareme
10 September 2018 16:29:48

 

 

Thanks for sharing that - took me ages to go through - wish they had a sequence so you can click play and see it develop in slow motion! The latest looks impressive:

3 confirmed hurricanes in the Tropical Atlantic now. 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

why don't you just use the link I shared earlier? much easier and also option for gif 

Russwirral
10 September 2018 16:47:24
This years early hurricane season is remarkably similar to last years, just shifted north by 500-1000 miles. with the storms all lined up.

With a possible el-nino on the cards too - this is going to be a busy forum trying to figure out what the winter will be like here.


Steve Murr
10 September 2018 16:49:00
Florence is already CAT 4 - special advisory from NHC

Intensity well surpassed the initial early estimates for this timeline...

marco 79
10 September 2018 17:13:55
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WTNT61 KNHC 101556

TCUAT1

Hurricane Florence Tropical Cyclone Update

NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018

1200 PM AST Mon Sep 10 2018

...FLORENCE BECOMES A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE...

Data from a NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft indicate that Florence

has continued to rapidly stregthen and has maximum sustained winds

near 130 mph (195 km/h). The latest minimum central pressure based

on data from the aircraft is 946 mb (27.93 inches).

SUMMARY OF 1200 PM AST...1600 UTC...INFORMATION


LOCATION...25.0N 60.2W

ABOUT 575 MI...925 KM SSE OF BERMUDA

ABOUT 1230 MI...1985 KM ESE OF CAPE FEAR NORTH CAROLINA

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...195 KM/H

PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H

MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...946 MB...27.93 INCHES


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Gray-Wolf
10 September 2018 17:31:52

Zeberdee needs to tell her it's time for bed!

This has the potential to be a very expensive storm for the U.S. and over an extended area?

If we do see a line of disturbance establish then the weakness will be where the past storm went. If the storm sucked the ocean dry of its heat it could kill and 'following storm' If the track runs slightly north or south then we still get a big storm running into areas already compromised from their taste of the first storm?


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doctormog
10 September 2018 17:45:56
I’ve not got much to add to the analysis on here already except to say that Florence will need to be watched very carefully and has the potential to have a very serious impact on the Atlantic seaboard and Carolinas especially.
Steve Murr
10 September 2018 17:48:44
So from a TS to a chasing down CAT 5 in 36-48 hours

Still in this day and age no model can resolve this RI - yet it was fairly easy to see that the conditions were near on perfect..

Based on climate change & in the 'perfect conditions' available they will need to revisit the scale soon to add CAT 6

Every teleconnective scale in the globe has needed to be rescaled in the last 10 years - its only a matter of time..

doctormog
10 September 2018 18:06:31
With only three Cat 5 hurricanes in the Atlantic* in the past decade I’m not entirely convinced of the need of a new category.

(*There have been five Cat 5 Pacific hurricanes in the same time range)


nsrobins
10 September 2018 18:47:34

With only three Cat 5 hurricanes in the Atlantic* in the past decade I’m not entirely convinced of the need of a new category.

(*There have been five Cat 5 Pacific hurricanes in the same time range)

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Cat 5 is open ended, but I get Steve’s point. 

This system is as good an example of ‘perfection’ with respect the environment being conducive for development from yesterday morning (once the drier intrusion had mixed out) as you can get. Maxed out ssts, deep ocean heat volume, next to zero shear, twin outflow arms reinforcing the capping high and an unusually strong and westward ridging Bermuda high. We even have a weak disturbance ahead of Florence which she will sweep up like an unrestricted hoover causing her to strengthen further. Then we have the prospects of the CONUS high stalling the storm as she hits land.

If you wanted to script a textbook perfect hurricane, we might not be far off one by Wednesday.


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doctormog
10 September 2018 18:53:40
Yes, you’re right about the perfect storm scenario or a recipe for disaster may be more appropriate. I would be surprised if Florence did not breach the Cat 5 threshold over the next couple of days.

The realistic possibility of it slowing as landfall approaches with associated flooding is probably the most worrisome feature at the moment but a Cat 4 landfall in terms of winds would be brutal too.


nsrobins
10 September 2018 19:30:45
It’s worth adding that the ECM once again is down the central line of the spread and takes Florence into NC around Wilmington but - the initial central pressure was 962mb at 12Z with a projected fall of 1mb/hr for 12hrs. At 19Z we’re already at 946mb so its already deeper than forecast.


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picturesareme
10 September 2018 19:46:31
these things despite spanning over 5 degrees in latitude are still pretty small when you come to think about.. hurricane force winds only extending to 30 miles from centre.
nsrobins
10 September 2018 22:53:06
Latest NHC guidance - Florence could well be Cat 5 by the morning.

‘None of the guidance suggest that Florence has peaked in intensity,

and this is supported by a continuation of a low-shear environment,

and even warmer waters over the next 36 hours. Thus, the intensity

forecast is raised from the previous one, bringing Florence close

to category 5 strength tomorrow.’


Neil

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11 September 2018 06:15:36

Yesterday's forecasts being continued with little change - if anything, Florence showing more tendency to stall over the Carolinas and Helene may strengthen and recurve more towards the Azores.

Astonishing number of comments added to forecasts for Florence trivialising or dismissing the situation - it's real troll territory out there! Just hope the trolls don't live in NC or influence the Carolinians.


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xioni2
11 September 2018 07:34:56

EC00 op has 700-1000mm totals in SE NC.

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