Gooner
06 September 2018 09:48:45

Hopefully a very cold winter …..even for Jacko and the Witney boys.


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Chunky Pea
06 September 2018 12:07:34

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I am not afraid to admit that Gavin’s weekend model update videos are much more entertaining than most of the dross on offer on TV these days.




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Rob K
06 September 2018 13:12:13

The CFS 9-monther is always pretty accurate, isn't it? Looks OK for Christmas, then. 



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ARTzeman
06 September 2018 13:24:09

Lets have snow end of November also end of December or earlier. Snow needed in January.... 






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Saint Snow
06 September 2018 13:27:59

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The CFS 9-monther is always pretty accurate, isn't it? Looks OK for Christmas, then. 




 


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Rob K
06 September 2018 13:37:09

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


* Bank *


 


 


 



All of January is utter crud on that run, though!


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andy-manc
06 September 2018 13:38:02

Hope James Madden doesn't see that or the five months of blistering conditions, mini ice age and 20 feet of snow on Christmas day Daily Express headlines will be out tomorrow 

Solar Cycles
06 September 2018 16:01:05

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The CFS 9-monther is always pretty accurate, isn't it? Looks OK for Christmas, then. 



Ties in with my winter fore....... guess. sealed

Gavin P
06 September 2018 20:02:11

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Good to see the ‘heavyweights’ (no offence Gav 😉) starting to clean their keyboards for the winter season.


I am not afraid to admit that Gavin’s weekend model update videos are much more entertaining than most of the dross on offer on TV these days.



LOL! Thanks Neil that's very kind! 


You OK my friend? 


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tallyho_83
07 September 2018 01:30:06

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Hopefully a very cold winter …..even for Jacko and the Witney boys.



Finally found a forecast that isn't just about N. America.


Pause this at 1:05: - Don't you just love that forecast? - Good for those in the SW! 🙂 JFF: Butt ALL WINTER MONTHS show below average temperatures with snow/precipitation to the south with HP to the north esp in January 2019 - shows an extensive area of the northern blocking/scandi HP. - Is this indicative of northern Blocking? ALl in veryt low resolution and it's all experimental and just for fun - what models do they use?


https://youtu.be/MJW40NJSS3I


It's the winter of true solar minimum!! 


What do you think all?


 


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJW40NJSS3I


 


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tallyho_83
07 September 2018 01:32:27

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Lets have snow end of November also end of December or earlier. Snow needed in January.... 



01:06 - Look what's being forecast right over Devon, Cornwall & Somerset!? :P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJW40NJSS3I


 


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tallyho_83
07 September 2018 01:57:49

Net Weather is going for a colder than average November:


https://www.netweather.tv/weather-forecasts/uk/long-range/seasonal


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Conclusions


Taking the evidence together as a whole, it looks probable that September will be more anticyclonic than usual over the British Isles, with a stronger than usual Icelandic low, which means that the north and west of Scotland will be more prone to bouts of wet and windy weather but for most of the UK a warmer and drier than average September is likely. For October the signals are weak but there is a general theme of pressure being above normal across central and northern Europe, with southerly winds slightly more frequent than normal over the British Isles. For November there is a consistent signal for cyclonic and fairly cold weather, with a region of above average pressure extending from the eastern North Atlantic to southern Greenland, suggesting that northerly and north-westerly winds will blow more frequently than usual for the third November in a row. The persistent and strong easterly phase of the Quasi-Biennial Oscillation may also promote cold blasts, most likely from the north, during mid to late November.


Temperatures


Temperatures for the autumn of 2018 are expected to be above the 1981-2010 average for England, Wales and Scotland (about 80% chance) but not exceptionally so, with positive anomalies of about 0.5C most likely. For Northern Ireland, near average temperatures is the most likely outcome, thanks to the proximity of the cold anomaly in the North Atlantic.


Both September and October are most likely to be warmer than average, albeit not exceptionally so, mainly due to frequent anticyclonic weather in September and southerly winds blowing more frequently than average in October. September is 80% likely to be warmer than average, October about 60-70% likely to be warm.


November is looking about 60-70% likely to be colder than normal, with frequent northerly and north-westerly winds. The negative temperature anomaly will probably be largest over Scotland and Northern Ireland. However, severe cold outbreaks look unlikely, because of a high likelihood that the Arctic will be exceptionally warm, in view of the fact that most recent Novembers have been unusually warm in the Arctic and so was the analogous November of 1996.


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Saint Snow
07 September 2018 08:44:08

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


All of January is utter crud on that run, though!



 


That's fine, we know the CFS 9-monther is only accurate out to around 4 months.



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John S2
07 September 2018 11:44:30
I don't know whether this is of any use in predicting the 18/19 winter, but the NAO for the period Apr-Aug this year was easily the most positive on record. The only other years in the record starting 1950 to have +NAO in all five of these months were 1959, 1992 & 2013. In addition, summers that I have looked at with good June & July followed by unexceptional or forgettable Augusts seem to have a tendency to be followed by mild winters.
Looking at a couple of years with good summers but very different to this year [ie not analogue years], 1976 & 1995 had very blocked Augusts and also they had wet Septembers.
If Sept 2018 turns out to be an anticyclonic westerly type, and Oct 2018 is unexceptional then my prediction will be for a milder than average winter. An October with strongly positive AO or NAO would weight the prediction towards colder, even if that seems counter intuitive..
Pattern matching is of course only one indicator
Solar Cycles
07 September 2018 12:30:00

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


01:06 - Look what's being forecast right over Devon, Cornwall & Somerset!? :P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJW40NJSS3I


 


December for the likes of me. 😍

nsrobins
08 September 2018 08:43:01

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


That's fine, we know the CFS 9-monther is only accurate out to around 4 hours.



Small correction there Martin 😉


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Jonesy
08 September 2018 09:51:27

Winter's over 


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Saint Snow
08 September 2018 11:14:34

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Small correction there Martin 😉



 


Don't burst my dream, mate!


 


 



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roger63
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09 September 2018 10:53:09

Have looked at data on cold/blocked winters around solar minimum give.


If we take the year of the solar minimum and the two years preceding and two years following this gives us five years to look at for each solar minimum A cold winter is counted if DJF  CET is 3.5 and below.


This analysis gives  the following results.


Solar minimum 1955 - cold winters 55,56


Solar minimum 1964  -cold winters 62,63,64,65.


Solar minimum 1977 -cold winters  77,79


Solar minimum 1986  -cold winters 85,86.87


Solar minimum  1997-cold winters  96


Solar minimum  2009 -cold  winters 09,10,11


Solar minimum  2020?

roger63
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12 September 2018 07:58:29

Can I ask if one of the Mods could make the "Winter 18/19 Discussion and Prognosis" thread into a sticky.It covers roughly a three month period from September to December.


Thanks


 


 


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