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Gray-Wolf
05 August 2018 13:10:06

Son is holidaying in Portugal and it was 47c as he arrived yesterday!!!!

And I think I'm hot in the mid 20's C!!!


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Hungry Tiger
05 August 2018 14:24:49

Son is holidaying in Portugal and it was 47c as he arrived yesterday!!!!

And I think I'm hot in the mid 20's C!!!

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf 


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05 August 2018 14:39:09

I think we will hit 30C today. It is quite a bit warmer than yesterday here in the south and further north and west as well. Plenty of stations currently in with a shout of being today's hotspot. Here are a selection:

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Hampton Water Works 28.9C

Heathrow 28.8C

Coningsby 28.8C

Brize Norton 28.7C

Wisley 28.7C

picturesareme
05 August 2018 14:49:19

I think we will hit 30C today. It is quite a bit warmer than yesterday here in the south and further north and west as well. Plenty of stations currently in with a shout of being today's hotspot. Here are a selection:

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Hampton Water Works 28.9C

Heathrow 28.8C

Coningsby 28.8C

Brize Norton 28.7C

Wisley 28.7C

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

I would have to say it's actually quite significantly cooler then yesterday here' in the south ;)

Sitting around 25C still.

05 August 2018 14:58:52

 

I would have to say it's actually quite significantly cooler then yesterday here' in the south ;)

Sitting around 25C still.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

That's because you have an onshore breeze today. Yesterday the wind was offshore from just east of north which is why Gosport Fleetlands was so warm yesterday. Inland it is much warmer than yesterday but not quite as warm as Friday.

05 August 2018 15:07:35

So I have been doing a bit more work looking at the number of 30C days in 1976. Impossible to get an accurate position because daily maximums are not publicly available. The daily weather summary from that time only lists a small number of stations and only rounds data to the nearest whole degree. The monthly weather report has a large list of stations and gives data to the nearest tenth of a degree. But it only gives the maximum for the month.

I have expanded my list and included those days where a station listed in the daily weather summary reached at least 29C. Based on other dates where we do have specific maximum figures, it is not unusual for the maximum to be 2C or more higher than any figure recorded at a station in the daily weather summary. So it is likely that most days where a figure of 29C is listed in the daily weather summary will have seen 30C somewhere in the UK at an official station. Possibly not all but then there could be some days where the highest temperature in the summary was only 28C but the maximum somewhere in the UK was above 30C.

So my best estimate is that there were about 28 days in 1976 that reached 30C.

If we look at 2018 we have seen 23 days so far. Assuming today, tomorrow and Tuesday reach 30C, which seems very likely, we will be up to 26 and just 2 short of 1976. 

We have only had 8 consecutive days above 30C compared to a run of 16 in 1976. However, had 4th July reached 30C we would have had a run of 15 days. We still need to see whether any of the manual stations managed 30C on the 4th. Not looking very likely given the current maximum for that day was at Giants Causeway. 

The days highlighted in yellow in 1976 represent maximums taken from the daily weather summary. These are not the official maximums for the day which will be higher. As noted above, the daily weather summary at that time only gave data to the nearest whole degree.

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Ally Pally Snowman
05 August 2018 15:15:25

So I have been doing a bit more work looking at the number of 30C days in 1976. Impossible to get an accurate position because daily maximums are not publicly available. The daily weather summary from that time only lists a small number of stations and only rounds data to the nearest whole degree. The monthly weather report has a large list of stations and gives data to the nearest tenth of a degree. But it only gives the maximum for the month.

I have expanded my list and included those days where a station listed in the daily weather summary reached at least 29C. Based on other dates where we do have specific maximum figures, it is not unusual for the maximum to be 2C or more higher than any figure recorded at a station in the daily weather summary. So it is likely that most days where a figure of 29C is listed in the daily weather summary will have seen 30C somewhere in the UK at an official station. Possibly not all but then there could be some days where the highest temperature in the summary was only 28C but the maximum somewhere in the UK was above 30C.

So my best estimate is that there were about 28 days in 1976 that reached 30C.

If we look at 2018 we have seen 23 days so far. Assuming today, tomorrow and Tuesday reach 30C, which seems very likely, we will be up to 26 and just 2 short of 1976. 

We have only had 8 consecutive days above 30C compared to a run of 16 in 1976. However, had 4th July reached 30C we would have had a run of 15 days. We still need to see whether any of the manual stations managed 30C on the 4th. Not looking very likely given the current maximum for that day was at Giants Causeway. 

The days highlighted in yellow in 1976 represent maximums taken from the daily weather summary. These are not the official maximums for the day which will be higher. As noted above, the daily weather summary at that time only gave data to the nearest whole degree.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

 

Great work GW.

 


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superteacher
05 August 2018 15:22:14
Good work GW. What’s really interesting is that there was a gap of one month from mid July to mid August without 30C being reached.
The Beast from the East
05 August 2018 15:29:46

Yes great work

So it would seem we need another burst of heat later in the month for 2018 to top 1976

Its possible but not for certain. Some GEFS have a strong high building back but we will need uppers of at least 16 for late August I'm guessing

 


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05 August 2018 15:39:40

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Hampton Waterworks 29.7C

05 August 2018 16:33:21

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Northolt 30.0C

superteacher
05 August 2018 16:46:40
So another day reaches 30! I reckon there have been more 30+ days this year than in all of the 1960s summers combined!
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05 August 2018 17:49:09

Thank you GW!    I was wondering how this year’s 30c+ days compared to those of 1976.  


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05 August 2018 17:58:46

So I have been doing a bit more work looking at the number of 30C days in 1976. Impossible to get an accurate position because daily maximums are not publicly available. The daily weather summary from that time only lists a small number of stations and only rounds data to the nearest whole degree. The monthly weather report has a large list of stations and gives data to the nearest tenth of a degree. But it only gives the maximum for the month.

I have expanded my list and included those days where a station listed in the daily weather summary reached at least 29C. Based on other dates where we do have specific maximum figures, it is not unusual for the maximum to be 2C or more higher than any figure recorded at a station in the daily weather summary. So it is likely that most days where a figure of 29C is listed in the daily weather summary will have seen 30C somewhere in the UK at an official station. Possibly not all but then there could be some days where the highest temperature in the summary was only 28C but the maximum somewhere in the UK was above 30C.

So my best estimate is that there were about 28 days in 1976 that reached 30C.

If we look at 2018 we have seen 23 days so far. Assuming today, tomorrow and Tuesday reach 30C, which seems very likely, we will be up to 26 and just 2 short of 1976. 

We have only had 8 consecutive days above 30C compared to a run of 16 in 1976. However, had 4th July reached 30C we would have had a run of 15 days. We still need to see whether any of the manual stations managed 30C on the 4th. Not looking very likely given the current maximum for that day was at Giants Causeway. 

The days highlighted in yellow in 1976 represent maximums taken from the daily weather summary. These are not the official maximums for the day which will be higher. As noted above, the daily weather summary at that time only gave data to the nearest whole degree.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

This website gives you daily maxima for loads of weather stations around the UK and globally going back decades: https://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-37720.html

Going by that site, Heathrow had 20 days at 30c+ in 1976.

Most years have the temperatures to the 0.1c, however 1976 has it rounded. 


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05 August 2018 19:27:22
Just reflecting on how exceptional this summer has been to date in so many places in Europe, and the weather stars for my little corner of France put things in some good perspective.

So far this August in Macon (central France, only 6 hours from Calais) we’ve had maxes of 32.6, 33.4, 35.1, 36.8 and 35.9C. But minima have been even more spectacular: 22.3, 20.6, 22.7, 25.6(!), 23.9. I actually managed to miss the 25.6 min as I was camping away in Provence. So average max 34.8, min 23.0. Mean 28.9C... Rainfall zero.

July averaged max 30.0C, min 17.5C which is about 3.5C and 2.5C above normal respectively.


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superteacher
05 August 2018 19:55:22
So what do people think the max will be over the next couple of days? The higher uppers seem to have backed west a bit, so maybe a 35C on Tuesday?
06 August 2018 20:03:38

32.4C today at Gravesend.

Wisley managed 31.9C based on hourly data so may also have exceeded 32C.

9th day above 32C this year. Should make it 10 tomorrow.

There were about 17 days above 32C in 1976 so we are a long way behind on that score.

06 August 2018 20:08:20

So what do people think the max will be over the next couple of days? The higher uppers seem to have backed west a bit, so maybe a 35C on Tuesday?

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

ARPEGE says 34C just in Kent and / or far east of East Anglia.

WRF-NMM only has 32C but then it only had 31C today so probably 1-2C too low.

FMI-HIRLAM has 34C probably at Gravesend.

ICON has 31C.

We would do well to get above 34C. But potentially the third warmest day of the year.

superteacher
06 August 2018 20:30:46

 

ARPEGE says 34C just in Kent and / or far east of East Anglia.

WRF-NMM only has 32C but then it only had 31C today so probably 1-2C too low.

FMI-HIRLAM has 34C probably at Gravesend.

ICON has 31C.

We would do well to get above 34C. But potentially the third warmest day of the year.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

interesting. Alex Deakin on Met Office video forecast said a chance of 35C somewhere but 33-34 more likely.

37c likely in Paris. So even with a direct hit we probably wouldn’t have challenged the record. We’d need potentially record breaking heat over there to push for it here.

07 August 2018 20:09:34

It shows you how good this summer has been when I find this thread on page 2 with no posts for 24 hours. Normally there would be a lot of interest on a day when we record 33C in the UK.

As expected Gravesend was the hot spot today with 33.2C well ahead of anywhere else in the SYNOP reports

As has been mentioned elsewhere the heat looks likely to return on Sunday with the possibility of 30C.

GFS raw output has 28C in East Anglia

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2018080712/126-582UK.GIF?07-12

After a cooler day on Monday the heat begins to build again on Tuesday. By Wednesday 30C is on the cards again

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2018080712/198-582UK.GIF?07-12

As it is on Thursday

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2018080712/222-582UK.GIF?07-12

It is a warm run from GFS but does have support from the GEM operational and ICON as far as the ICON model goes out to. In fact ICON builds the heat as early as Tuesday. ECM op is a bit out on a limb this evening from next Monday onwards.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/show_diagrams.php?model=multi&var=2&geoid=49069&lid=OP&bw=

I firmly believe there will be plenty more hot weather over the next 6 weeks. Maybe not the sustained heat we have become used to in the south  but still plenty of bursts of hot temperatures for a few days at a time.

Snow Hoper
09 August 2018 13:44:00

So I have been doing a bit more work looking at the number of 30C days in 1976. Impossible to get an accurate position because daily maximums are not publicly available. The daily weather summary from that time only lists a small number of stations and only rounds data to the nearest whole degree. The monthly weather report has a large list of stations and gives data to the nearest tenth of a degree. But it only gives the maximum for the month.

I have expanded my list and included those days where a station listed in the daily weather summary reached at least 29C. Based on other dates where we do have specific maximum figures, it is not unusual for the maximum to be 2C or more higher than any figure recorded at a station in the daily weather summary. So it is likely that most days where a figure of 29C is listed in the daily weather summary will have seen 30C somewhere in the UK at an official station. Possibly not all but then there could be some days where the highest temperature in the summary was only 28C but the maximum somewhere in the UK was above 30C.

So my best estimate is that there were about 28 days in 1976 that reached 30C.

If we look at 2018 we have seen 23 days so far. Assuming today, tomorrow and Tuesday reach 30C, which seems very likely, we will be up to 26 and just 2 short of 1976. 

We have only had 8 consecutive days above 30C compared to a run of 16 in 1976. However, had 4th July reached 30C we would have had a run of 15 days. We still need to see whether any of the manual stations managed 30C on the 4th. Not looking very likely given the current maximum for that day was at Giants Causeway. 

The days highlighted in yellow in 1976 represent maximums taken from the daily weather summary. These are not the official maximums for the day which will be higher. As noted above, the daily weather summary at that time only gave data to the nearest whole degree.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

Tomas on the Beeb just now said we have beaten 1976s 30C total. Said there were 24 days in 76 and we are currently on 26.


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09 August 2018 18:48:24

 

Tomas on the Beeb just now said we have beaten 1976s 30C total. Said there were 24 days in 76 and we are currently on 26.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

Thanks for that. Must mean that on 4 of the 5 days with a 29C figure in my table we didn’t manage to reach 30C somewhere. I thought it would be lower than that and we would be about the same as 76 at this point. So we have at least beaten one 76 record already.

Caz
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09 August 2018 19:27:14

Thanks for that. Must mean that on 4 of the 5 days with a 29C figure in my table we didn’t manage to reach 30C somewhere. I thought it would be lower than that and we would be about the same as 76 at this point. So we have at least beaten one 76 record already.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

   As much as 76 was memorable, this summer has been really special too.  Perhaps because we’ve had a few recently that haven’t been so good!  I’m still hoping this year has a few more records up its sleeve!  


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10 August 2018 06:46:28

Were you in Faversham 15 years ago today? 

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Ally Pally Snowman
10 August 2018 07:28:52

 

Tomas on the Beeb just now said we have beaten 1976s 30C total. Said there were 24 days in 76 and we are currently on 26.

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

 

When they come to write about this summer and how it compares to the great summers in history this is a significant stat. Whatever happens now 2018 is right up there with the likes of 76.

 

 


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