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Gavin P
21 July 2018 08:57:58

 

I don’t think so. While there will be some very high temperatures at times over the next 10 days, the really high figures over 32C are likely to be confined to the far SE which is well outside the CET area. So I think we will end up below 19.5C even if there are some very high temperatures next week. Unless the serious heat spreads further west and north I don’t see this being a record breaking month.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

 

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Gusty
21 July 2018 09:21:29

My calculation based on current output would see the CET finishing on 19.54c and based on ECM guidance.

As we all know though these calculations are based on raw data and does allow for potential underplaying of daytime maxes.

Its going to be a close one IMO.


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21 July 2018 10:01:53

My calculation based on current output would see the CET finishing on 19.54c and based on ECM guidance.

As we all know though these calculations are based on raw data and does allow for potential underplaying of daytime maxes.

Its going to be a close one IMO.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

With the adjustments then that’s around 19.2C.

Met Office CET down again to 19.2 (18.8/9) this morning.


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ARTzeman
21 July 2018 10:12:19

Met Office Hadley      19.2c.    Anomaly   3,3c. Provisional to 20th.

Metcheck                   19.29c   Anomaly   2.83c

Netweather                19.64c   Anomaly   3.15c

Alton                       19.5c      Anomaly   1.2c

Canvey island 20.4c     Anomaly   1.46c

Cheadle Hulme 19.8c   Anomaly   2.6c

Clevedon Weather 20.8c   Anomaly   2.32c

Darwen                    20,3c    Anomaly   1.6c

Hexam                     17.9c    Anomaly   1.6c

Mount Sorrel            19.7c     Anomaly   2.02c

Mansfield Woodhouse 18,9c   Anomaly  0.9c

Peasedown St John  20.44c  Anomaly  1.9c

Treviskey Redruth 18.1c  Anomaly  0.2c.

 

Mean Of 10 Stations 19.58c.     




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golfingmad
21 July 2018 10:15:11

The current CET figure of 19.2C should stabilise over the weekend and then gradually move up through next week, given the latest forecasts and the possibility of an air flow between S and E.

EDIT: Latest GFS run would support a strong finish to the CET figure.

 

 


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TimS
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21 July 2018 13:02:19
Particularly chilly day in the NW today so I expect a low value for Stonyhurst (18C there currently). That could really hit today’s CET, which is a shame as it was quite warm in the stations overnight and it’s warm again in true central England.
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Caz
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21 July 2018 13:05:24

The current CET figure of 19.2C should stabilise over the weekend and then gradually move up through next week, given the latest forecasts and the possibility of an air flow between S and E.

EDIT: Latest GFS run would support a strong finish to the CET figure. 

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

This is a really exciting month, doing the model hokey cokey.  In, out, shake it all about and then do a turnaround!  It’s anybody’s guess and everybody’s hope!  


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Bolty
21 July 2018 14:34:44
I think we will fall short of July 2006's 19.7C. It would take really quite a potent heat wave to set up for us to better that. July 1983's 19.5C could still be within reach though. The joint second or third warmest July on record after an exceptionally warm May and June? Not too bad at all.

At the very least, July 2018 will become the fourth member of a very exclusive club: the 19-degree summer months!


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TimS
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21 July 2018 19:00:20
If we exceed 19 and get some decent sunshine in the next 10 days I think this month will be in the top 5 on my E&W summer index.

I assume Kevin’s index is tumbling with the crap weather Manchester has been experiencing the last couple of days.


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21 July 2018 19:07:47

If we exceed 19 and get some decent sunshine in the next 10 days I think this month will be in the top 5 on my E&W summer index.

I assume Kevin’s index is tumbling with the crap weather Manchester has been experiencing the last couple of days.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

I think this month will be up there with the best! 

Yes, Kev’s index will be taking a knock and I’d be interested how yours does. I do wish there was something similar available for other areas. 


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Global Warming
22 July 2018 10:51:22

Latest calculations suggest that a cooler final few days of the month could push the CET below 19C. Latest estimate is 18.95C. Nothing nailed on yet in terms of exceeding 19C. I still think we will end up the right side of 19C but probably not by much.

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Hungry Tiger
22 July 2018 11:01:32

Latest calculations suggest that a cooler final few days of the month could push the CET below 19C. Latest estimate is 18.95C. Nothing nailed on yet in terms of exceeding 19C. I still think we will end up the right side of 19C but probably not by much.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

A lot of talk implies daytime maxs of 30 to 32 for much of the rest of the month. I would have thought that 19.0C or more is almost nailed on.

 


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ARTzeman
22 July 2018 11:25:00

Met Office Hadley     19.2c.   Anomaly   3.2c. Provisional to 21st.

Metcheck                  19.28c  Anomaly   2.83c.

Netweather               19.63c  Anomaly   3.13c.

Mansfield Woodhouse 18.9c   Anomaly  0.9c.

Peasedown St John 21.83c  Anomaly  2.99c.

 

10 Station Mean 19.72c.        




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Global Warming
22 July 2018 11:38:34

 

A lot of talk implies daytime maxs of 30 to 32 for much of the rest of the month. I would have thought that 19.0C or more is almost nailed on.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

We shall see. I don't see many 30C+ temperatures outside of eastern areas. That would suggest only 1 CET station (Rothamsted) is likely to see 30C+ on more than the odd day. Stonyhurst in particular looks much cooler generally and I don't think most people are factoring this in properly. Too much SE bias as is often the case I fear.

superteacher
22 July 2018 12:16:02

This has probably been posted somewhere, but where are the CET stations?





TimS
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22 July 2018 12:50:44

This has probably been posted somewhere, but where are the CET stations?

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

Rothamsted Park in Herts, Great Malvern in Worcestershire, and Stonyhurst on the Lancashire plain inland from Blackpool. 2 of the 3 are in Western England so the CET always does better in summer Easterlies.


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superteacher
22 July 2018 13:00:05

 

Rothamsted Park in Herts, Great Malvern in Worcestershire, and Stonyhurst on the Lancashire plain inland from Blackpool. 2 of the 3 are in Western England so the CET always does better in summer Easterlies.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Thanks. For some reason I always thought there were more than that.

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22 July 2018 13:03:24

Met Office Hadley     19.2c.   Anomaly   3.2c. Provisional to 21st.

Metcheck                  19.28c  Anomaly   2.83c.

Netweather               19.63c  Anomaly   3.13c.

Mansfield Woodhouse 18.9c   Anomaly  0.9c.

Peasedown St John 21.83c  Anomaly  2.99c.

 

10 Station Mean 19.72c.        

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

  Still over 19c and not out of kilter with Metcheck and Netweather for a change.  Which makes me think Hadley might have made adjustments already and there won’t be such a drastic downgrade this month. 


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Caz
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22 July 2018 13:25:16

 

Thanks. For some reason I always thought there were more than that.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

I believe there were more stations used in the original Manley series.  I’m no expert but these questions get answered periodically on here and I manage to make sense of them occasionally.   


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Global Warming
22 July 2018 13:59:47

 

Rothamsted Park in Herts, Great Malvern in Worcestershire, and Stonyhurst on the Lancashire plain inland from Blackpool. 2 of the 3 are in Western England so the CET always does better in summer Easterlies.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

That is actually not correct. Great Malvern was replaced many years ago. Pershore College is the current station in that area.

golfingmad
22 July 2018 14:45:37

I believe there were more stations used in the original Manley series.  I’m no expert but these questions get answered periodically on here and I manage to make sense of them occasionally.   

Originally Posted by: Caz 

What doesn't make sense to me is the CET station close to Blackpool, in Lancashire.

Lancashire isn't in Central England. It is in NW England. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. I've always had my doubts about the veracity of the CET data and this just confirms my doubts.


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Caz
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22 July 2018 14:56:55

What doesn't make sense to me is the CET station close to Blackpool, in Lancashire.

Lancashire isn't in Central England. It is in NW England. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. I've always had my doubts about the veracity of the CET data and this just confirms my doubts.

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

I think the reasoning behind it is that the three stations form a triangle, roughly the shape of England, to capture weather conditions within that range.  Not coastal and not in a line up country either.  It is questionable but whether we agree with it or not, the data has been collected at comparable locations since some time in the 1700’s, so it has to continue for consistency. 

I think Philip Eden uses different stations but that is a much shorter running series. 


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TimS
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22 July 2018 15:00:48

 

That is actually not correct. Great Malvern was replaced many years ago. Pershore College is the current station in that area.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

Ah thanks. That’s good because Pershore appears on the automatic read outs and Malvern doesn’t. So I use Pershore as the proxy anyway.

Today looks like giving us 25-27C at Rothamsted and Pershore and a furnace-like 19C at Stonyhurst.


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lanky
22 July 2018 15:01:16

 

What doesn't make sense to me is the CET station close to Blackpool, in Lancashire.

Lancashire isn't in Central England. It is in NW England. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. I've always had my doubts about the veracity of the CET data and this just confirms my doubts.

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

I take it to mean that if you construct a triangle between Pershore College Worcs, Rothamsted Herts and Stonyhurst Lancs then the "centre of gravity" is Central England

You would get some strange results if you just had 1 reading in Birmingham (say) as all the local vagaries of particular weather in that one area would come through rather than the average over a wider area

The Late Philip Eden continued to measure the so called "Manley CET" which he based on the original choice of stations which were nearby the current Met Office ones as I recall and published monthly discrepancies. These differences were by and large insignificant but the odd month used to have somewhat larger ones

 

 


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LeedsLad123
22 July 2018 15:04:17

 

What doesn't make sense to me is the CET station close to Blackpool, in Lancashire.

Lancashire isn't in Central England. It is in NW England. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. I've always had my doubts about the veracity of the CET data and this just confirms my doubts.

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

Rothamsted isn't in Central England either, it's in southern England. 


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