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ARTzeman
10 July 2018 10:34:09

Met Office Hadley         20.1c.     Anomaly     4.3c.   provisional to 9th.

Metcheck                      19.99c    Anomaly     3.52c

Netweather                   20.47c    Anomaly     3.97c

Alton                            20.8c       A=            2.5c

Canvey Island               20.6c       A=            1.66c

Cheadle Hulme              20.9c       A=            3.7c

Clevedon Weather         21.6c       A=            3.12c

Darwen                        21.5c       A=            3.84c

Hexam                         18.5c       A=            2.2c

Mount Sorrel                 20.2c       A=           2.52c

Mansfield Woodhouse    19.0c        A=           1.0c

Peasedown St John        21.90c      A=          3.26c

Treviskey Redruth          18.8c        A=          1.34c       

       Mean of 10 Stations   20.38c..

                         




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Rob K
10 July 2018 10:34:57

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

By my reckoning that makes the rolling 30-day CET (June 9 to July 😎 17.2C. Not as impressive as I thought due to a run of cooler days just after mid-June (low minima).

 

 


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Bolty
10 July 2018 10:38:24
Locally an incredible 20.4C to the end of the 9th.
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Ally Pally Snowman
10 July 2018 10:40:00

 

By my reckoning that makes the rolling 30-day CET (June 9 to July 😎 17.2C. Not as impressive as I thought due to a run of cooler days just after mid-June (low minima).

 

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

That doesn't sound right we are averaging over 20c for the first 9 days of July 

 

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html

 


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Rob K
10 July 2018 13:37:34

 

 

That doesn't sound right we are averaging over 20c for the first 9 days of July 

 

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

But the 30 day rolling mean also includes the cooler period of mid-June. Last 21 days of June come out at 16.2C average, so even a 20C+ first 9 days of July can't lift it that much. (Up to July 9 it is 17.4C now)

 

BTW does the http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_mean_est_2018 link not get updated to the actual values? The daily figures are different on there to the final table.

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 July 2018 13:58:51

 

But the 30 day rolling mean also includes the cooler period of mid-June. Last 21 days of June come out at 16.2C average, so even a 20C+ first 9 days of July can't lift it that much. (Up to July 9 it is 17.4C now)

 

BTW does the http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_mean_est_2018 link not get updated to the actual values? The daily figures are different on there to the final table.

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

Fair enongh my bad maths skills there, I have to say I don't understand that table at all, don't know if it gets corrupted when I view it but makes no sense to me. what's the -32768  mean?

 


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jhall
10 July 2018 17:19:16

 

 

Fair enongh my bad maths skills there, I have to say I don't understand that table at all, don't know if it gets corrupted when I view it but makes no sense to me. what's the -32768  mean?

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It means there's no value recorded, either because the date does not exist (eg 31st June) or we haven't reached that date yet. The columns are the months and the rows are the day of the month. The values are in tenths of a degree, so 98 actually means 9.8C. I've never understood why they do it like that.


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 July 2018 17:52:44

 

It means there's no value recorded, either because the date does not exist (eg 31st June) or we haven't reached that date yet. The columns are the months and the rows are the day of the month. The values are in tenths of a degree, so 98 actually means 9.8C. I've never understood why they do it like that.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

 

Thanks I now understand it but what a odd way to produce the data.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Global Warming
10 July 2018 17:57:08

 

But the 30 day rolling mean also includes the cooler period of mid-June. Last 21 days of June come out at 16.2C average, so even a 20C+ first 9 days of July can't lift it that much. (Up to July 9 it is 17.4C now)

 

BTW does the http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_mean_est_2018 link not get updated to the actual values? The daily figures are different on there to the final table.

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

No the estimated table does not change. It does mean you can see how much the final numbers have been adjusted for each month compared to the provisional data. 

springsunshine
10 July 2018 18:58:45

Locally an incredible 20.4C to the end of the 9th.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

So quite cool in your neck of the woods then lol

July mean is 22.4c down here to date,hot hot hot

Caz
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10 July 2018 19:20:19

 

So quite cool in your neck of the woods then lol

July mean is 22.4c down here to date,hot hot hot

Originally Posted by: springsunshine 

Just shows the temperature difference between North and South. A full 2 degrees.  It would be interesting to see the anomalies of both Manchester and Bournemouth!  


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LeedsLad123
10 July 2018 19:31:09

Just shows the temperature difference between North and South. A full 2 degrees.  It would be interesting to see the anomalies of both Manchester and Bournemouth!  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Manchester Airport and Bournemouth Hurn have a mean temperature in July of 16.6C and 17.0C respectively, so on average there is only a 0.4 degree difference between Manchester and Bournemouth - a 2 degree difference between both places so far this month would obviously indicate Bournemouth being much warmer relative to average.

You'd be best off comparing both official stations tbh.


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Caz
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10 July 2018 19:42:55

 

Probably about the same as there's generally a 2 degree temperature difference between Manchester and Bournemouth in the summer (going by local averages for both airports), and both locations will benefit during periods of easterly winds.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

  That’s what I expected.  It shows the heatwave has had the same effect across the country.  And that’s why someone from Bournemouth finds it difficult to understand why someone from Manchester gets excited about temps 2 degrees lower than they’ve had.  It’s all relative. 


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Caz
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10 July 2018 19:46:28

Manchester Airport and Bournemouth Hurn have a mean temperature in July of 16.6C and 17.0C respectively, so on average there is only a 0.4 degree difference between Manchester and Bournemouth - a 2 degree difference between both places so far this month would obviously indicate Bournemouth being much warmer relative to average.

You'd be best off comparing both official stations tbh.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

Hmmm!  Blows my theory out of the water then!  

Meanwhile, I’m stuck in the middle but would think temps here have been closer to those in Manchester. 


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Global Warming
10 July 2018 20:00:04

I don’t have a figure for Manchester but Liverpool Crosby has a mean of 19.2C which is an anomaly of 2.7C.

Bournemouth Hurn’s mean of 21.1C is an anomaly of 4.1C.

So in terms of anomalies the difference north to south is around 1.5C.

Most places in the south have an anomaly in excess of 4C.

 

LeedsLad123
10 July 2018 21:01:53

Hmmm!  Blows my theory out of the water then!  

Meanwhile, I’m stuck in the middle but would think temps here have been closer to those in Manchester. 

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Yeah, sorry for the sneaky post edit. 

Rostherne near Manchester Airport has a mean of 19.8C so far this month.


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Global Warming
10 July 2018 21:04:50

The way things are shaping up at the moment we are way off a 20C CET. We may struggle to reach 19C.

The provisional Hadley data has significantly overestimated the mean a couple of times in recent days, by up to 0.8C on the 7th and 1.2C on the 8th. 

My data is almost certainly understating the CET a little because I don't have access to the absolute maximums for two stations. These figures may well be much higher than any of the hourly readings.

But anyway at present I estimate the CET to be about 0.37C lower than the provisional Hadley numbers. Remember last month we had a downward adjustment of around 0.4C and we could see something similar this month.

My current estimate is that the CET will be around 18.85C by the 24th. So if we can maintain decent temperatures for the rest of the month then a CET above 19C is still very much on the cards. But the probability of beating the 19.7C record and reaching 20C looks quite slim at the moment.

Still time for that to change though. But at this point I am quite happy with my 18.8C prediction.

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ARTzeman
11 July 2018 10:10:01

Met Office Hadley        20.0c.      Anomaly      4.2c.  Provisional to 10th.

Metcheck                     19.68c     Anomaly      3.21c

Netweather                  20.22c     Anomaly      3.72c

Mount Sorrel                19.8c       Anomaly      2.12c

Mansfield Woodhouse   18.7c     Anomaly      0.7c

Peasedown St John     21.83c    Anomaly      3.29c

 

10 Station Mean 20.25c.     

 




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TimS
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11 July 2018 14:24:08
The monthly CET, sun or low rainfall records look out of reach for July. JJA CET record would be a push unless we had a blistering August and a July value around 18.5C.

We could still be in the running for dry summer record but this week and next week’s convective rainfall is a threat to this. Not sure where we are on sunshine summer to date - quite good I think but not right at the top.

The one to beat I think is 1989’s combined sun, drought and warmth for the extended May-Sept season. We are in the lead on this so far.


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superteacher
11 July 2018 15:38:58

The monthly CET, sun or low rainfall records look out of reach for July. JJA CET record would be a push unless we had a blistering August and a July value around 18.5C.

We could still be in the running for dry summer record but this week and next week’s convective rainfall is a threat to this. Not sure where we are on sunshine summer to date - quite good I think but not right at the top.

The one to beat I think is 1989’s combined sun, drought and warmth for the extended May-Sept season. We are in the lead on this so far.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

 

CET running at 20.0 currently with a warm / very warm outlook. Also, looks like a more humid feel with warm nights. I’d say there’s a very good chance to challenge it.

Caz
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12 July 2018 09:08:54

CET running at 20.0 currently with a warm / very warm outlook. Also, looks like a more humid feel with warm nights. I’d say there’s a very good chance to challenge it.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

The problem is, as GW explained, Hadley has recently had a tendency to overestimate, so an end of month downgrade is likely.  


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superteacher
12 July 2018 11:00:46

The problem is, as GW explained, Hadley has recently had a tendency to overestimate, so an end of month downgrade is likely.  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

i don’t understand why an estimate is needed. Surely it’s a case of getting the temperature values and working out an average?

Caz
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12 July 2018 11:30:36

i don’t understand why an estimate is needed. Surely it’s a case of getting the temperature values and working out an average?

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

I don’t think anyone understands the need for it and it’s been questioned many times.  But it happens almost every month. 


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ARTzeman
12 July 2018 12:04:11

Met Office Hadley         19.8c.      Anomaly     4.0c. Provisional to 11th.

Metcheck                      19.49c     Anomaly     3.02c

Netweather                   20.0c       Anomaly     3.51c

Darwen                         21.6c      Anomaly      3.94c

Mansfield Woodhouse     18.8c      Anomaly       0.8c

Peasedown St John     21.7c     Anomaly        3.36c 

 

10 Station Mean  = 20.28c                           




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ARTzeman
13 July 2018 11:22:47

Met Office Hadley          19.7c.    Anomaly      3.8c. Improvisational to 12th.

Metcheck                       19.35c   Anomaly      2.89c

Netweather                    19.81    Anomaly      3.31c

 

My  Watched  10 Station Mean   20.23c.

Alton                          20.0c       Anomaly    1.7c

Canvey Island             20.0c       Anomaly    1.06c

Cheadle Hulme            20.7c       Anomaly    3.5c

Clevedon Weather        21.5c      Anomaly     3.02c

Darwen                       21.4c      Anomaly     3.74c

Hexam                        18.5c      Anomaly     2.2c

Mount Sorrel                19.4c     Anomaly     1.92c

Mansfield Woodhouse  18.5c    Anomaly     0.5c

Peasedown St John  21.73c    Anomaly    3.19c

Treviskey Redruth   18.5c     Anomaly    1.04c.   

   




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