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TimS
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14 July 2018 08:43:17
Not sure what the latest estimates look like but we do seem to be in for some quite warm nights over the next couple of weeks which should moderate the drop in maxima.

Would be good to land an 18C+ month. I would hope that’s possible even if the weather is a bit meh for the next 2 weeks. It would keep us ahead of 1995 (but we would then need an 18C+ August to get close to matching the whole summer, which would be a push).


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Caz
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14 July 2018 09:46:10

Not sure what the latest estimates look like but we do seem to be in for some quite warm nights over the next couple of weeks which should moderate the drop in maxima.

Would be good to land an 18C+ month. I would hope that’s possible even if the weather is a bit meh for the next 2 weeks. It would keep us ahead of 1995 (but we would then need an 18C+ August to get close to matching the whole summer, which would be a push).

Originally Posted by: TimS 

 Yes I think we’ll manage 18+ and if minima are as low as 14c and maxima only 24c, we’ll still average 19c.

It’s perhaps a pity the May stats aren’t included in summer as well although we did have some very cool nights that pegged it back this year. How did the May 1995 CET compare with this year?


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ARTzeman
14 July 2018 11:27:04

 Yes I think we’ll manage 18+ and if minima are as low as 14c and maxima only 24c, we’ll still average 19c.

It’s perhaps a pity the May stats aren’t included in summer as well although we did have some very cool nights that pegged it back this year. How did the May 1995 CET compare with this year?

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Think it was only 10.2c.....




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ARTzeman
14 July 2018 11:34:03

Met Office Hadley     19.6c.      Anomaly     3.7c. Provisional to 14th.

Metcheck                  19.27c     Anomaly     2.81c

Netweather               19.68c    Anomaly      3.19c

Mansfield Woodhouse 18.6c    Anomaly    0.6c

Peasedown St John  22.78c   Anomaly    4.29c.

 

Mean of 10 stations 20.10c.          




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Hungry Tiger
14 July 2018 13:18:44

Met Office Hadley     19.6c.      Anomaly     3.7c. Provisional to 14th.

Metcheck                  19.27c     Anomaly     2.81c

Netweather               19.68c    Anomaly      3.19c

Mansfield Woodhouse 18.6c    Anomaly    0.6c

Peasedown St John  22.78c   Anomaly    4.29c.

 

Mean of 10 stations 20.10c.          

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

An impressive figure for almost half way through the month.

 


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Caz
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14 July 2018 13:28:35

Think it was only 10.2c.....

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

So May 1995 was 3c lower than this year!  

We’ve already had ten weeks of better weather than we get in an average summer!  Impressive!   


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golfingmad
14 July 2018 13:38:10

So May 1995 was 3c lower than this year!  

We’ve already had ten weeks of better weather than we get in an average summer!  Impressive!   

Originally Posted by: Caz 

May 1995 recorded a CET mean figure of 11.6C, a difference of 1.6C from the 2018 figure of 13.2C. 

 


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Caz
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14 July 2018 13:57:23

 

May 1995 recorded a CET mean figure of 11.6C, a difference of 1.6C from the 2018 figure of 13.2C. 

 

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

  Still quite a difference!  


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ARTzeman
15 July 2018 12:44:14

Met Office Hadley         19.6c.   Anomaly   3.7c

Metcheck                      19.37    Anomaly   2.91c

Netweather                   19.71c  Anomaly   3.22c

Mansfield Woodhouse  18.8c     Anomaly   0.8c

 

Mean of 10 Watched Stations 20.15c




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RustyRoo
15 July 2018 12:45:12

Is there any data for daytime/night CET?

It seems that would be far more descriptive of a months weather.

TimS
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15 July 2018 12:49:47

Met Office Hadley         19.6c.   Anomaly   3.7c

Metcheck                      19.37    Anomaly   2.91c

Netweather                   19.71c  Anomaly   3.22c

Mansfield Woodhouse  18.8c     Anomaly   0.8c

 

Mean of 10 Watched Stations 20.15c

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

Looks like Hadley may be reversing some of its warm bias the last couple of days.

To beat 18.0C, and assuming we’re actually at 19.3 not 19.6, we need the rest of the month to average 16.9. Should be easily doable especially after today and tomorrow, unless things really turn bad. That would be first 18C month since 2013.


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Caz
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15 July 2018 17:36:23

I still think we can get above, or very near the 19c mark.  


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Stormchaser
15 July 2018 18:28:33

Well the GFS 12z, the best fit for the Nino-like background I've seen since the uncertain period began, is good for a final CET between 19.2 and 19.8*C depending on just how much it's underestimating the maximums (with 19.2*C being if it wasn't doing so at all... which is unlikely!).

It may not stay as dry as the first half of the summer (though this run is startlingly dry for England until 30th), but the race for a record-hot month is certainly still on.

For my location, the raw numbers give a record-high overall mean of 20.4*C, with a value as high as 20.9*C feasible given typical underestimations. A truly amazing prospect!


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Global Warming
15 July 2018 18:30:17

Is there any data for daytime/night CET?

It seems that would be far more descriptive of a months weather.

Originally Posted by: RustyRoo 

Yes see this link for maximums and minimums

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/graphs/index.html

In April the minimum anomaly was higher than the maximum. But since then the daytime anomalies have been much higher. The data in the link above compares to the 1961-1990 mean so the anomaly looks bigger compared to using the 1981-2010 mean. But the daytime maximum anomalies are huge, especially this month, which explains why late spring and summer has felt so good this year. The average maximum temperature for the period May to July will almost certainly be one of if not the highest on record. 

EDIT

Just checking the numbers and if the July CET finishes at 19.0C the combined CET for May to July will be 16.12C so it would be a record.

2006 was 15.97C and 1976 15.93C for the same period.

Global Warming
15 July 2018 19:07:10

My latest calculations suggest a CET of 18.81C by the 29th. As ever that is likely to be slightly understated due to the maximums being too low. So as it has for a while now, the CET looks likely to get close to 19C and quite possibly slightly above. But I still think a record breaker is unlikely because of the somewhat cooler week this coming week. We will really have to climb well into the 30’s next week to have any chance of the record. Not out of the question yet but I think we will fall quite a bit short.

Can’t post any updated charts for the next week or so as I am on holiday.

Caz
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15 July 2018 19:56:20

My latest calculations suggest a CET of 18.81C by the 29th. As ever that is likely to be slightly understated due to the maximums being too low. So as it has for a while now, the CET looks likely to get close to 19C and quite possibly slightly above. But I still think a record breaker is unlikely because of the somewhat cooler week this coming week. We will really have to climb well into the 30’s next week to have any chance of the record. Not out of the question yet but I think we will fall quite a bit short.

Can’t post any updated charts for the next week or so as I am on holiday.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

 Cheers GW!  Enjoy your holiday. Hope you’re going somewhere nice and hot!  


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Hungry Tiger
15 July 2018 19:57:21

My latest calculations suggest a CET of 18.81C by the 29th. As ever that is likely to be slightly understated due to the maximums being too low. So as it has for a while now, the CET looks likely to get close to 19C and quite possibly slightly above. But I still think a record breaker is unlikely because of the somewhat cooler week this coming week. We will really have to climb well into the 30’s next week to have any chance of the record. Not out of the question yet but I think we will fall quite a bit short.

Can’t post any updated charts for the next week or so as I am on holiday.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

Thanks for that excellent informative post Simon.


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Hungry Tiger
15 July 2018 19:58:06

Well the GFS 12z, the best fit for the Nino-like background I've seen since the uncertain period began, is good for a final CET between 19.2 and 19.8*C depending on just how much it's underestimating the maximums (with 19.2*C being if it wasn't doing so at all... which is unlikely!).

It may not stay as dry as the first half of the summer (though this run is startlingly dry for England until 30th), but the race for a record-hot month is certainly still on.

For my location, the raw numbers give a record-high overall mean of 20.4*C, with a value as high as 20.9*C feasible given typical underestimations. A truly amazing prospect!

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Thanks for that excellent informative post James.


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Caz
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16 July 2018 03:36:49

 Thanks for that excellent informative post James.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Absolutely agree!  James and Simon always post informatively and make this thread even more interesting!  Thanks guys! 

Gavin, I see you and I have both gone for 18.5c but I think James and Simon will be closer with their predictions of 19c and 18.8c respectively.   I won‘t hold it against them though!  


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Hungry Tiger
16 July 2018 08:40:23

Absolutely agree!  James and Simon always post informatively and make this thread even more interesting!  Thanks guys! 

Gavin, I see you and I have both gone for 18.5c but I think James and Simon will be closer with their predictions of 19c and 18.8c respectively.   I won‘t hold it against them though!  

Originally Posted by: Caz 


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TimS
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16 July 2018 08:51:54
This month isn’t the record breaking type, and all the better for it. Reasonably cool nights due to the dry ground, and hopefully playing the long game. I’d far rather have 5 very nice months May to September than one record breaker and dross for the rest of the summer.

I still think the rest of the month is in the balance and wouldn’t be surprised if we end up in the low 18s. Lower than that would require a major shift although there is still time for that.

Low 18s would in any case be a remarkably warm month. I’m more interested in the rainfall total though - 1995 (driest) and 1976 (second driest) were both wetter than 2018 up to today.


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16 July 2018 09:34:45

This month isn’t the record breaking type, and all the better for it. Reasonably cool nights due to the dry ground, and hopefully playing the long game. I’d far rather have 5 very nice months May to September than one record breaker and dross for the rest of the summer.

I still think the rest of the month is in the balance and wouldn’t be surprised if we end up in the low 18s. Lower than that would require a major shift although there is still time for that.

Low 18s would in any case be a remarkably warm month. I’m more interested in the rainfall total though - 1995 (driest) and 1976 (second driest) were both wetter than 2018 up to today.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

it would take a fairly average second half of the month for the CET to end up around 18, and thee is nothing indicating that at the moment. If anything, it’s the opposite.

ARTzeman
16 July 2018 11:12:18

Met office Hadley       19.6c        Anomaly    3.7c. Provisional to 15th.  Same figure   the last  3 days.

Metcheck                   19.48c      Anomaly     3.02c

Netweather                19.79c      Anomaly     3.3c

Alton                         19.9c        Anomaly     1.6c

Mount Sorrel              19.8c        Anomaly     2.12c

Mansfield Woodhouse  19.9c     Anomaly   0.9c

Peasedown St John 21.91c     Anomaly   3.37c

 

Mean of My Watched  10 Station  20.10c.    




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golfingmad
16 July 2018 11:15:47

 

it would take a fairly average second half of the month for the CET to end up around 18, and thee is nothing indicating that at the moment. If anything, it’s the opposite.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

Completely agree. Despite the more unsettled nature of the weather indicated in the models, it is also suggested to stay warm or very warm. The key will also be warmer nights that may occur in the suggested upcoming weather.

The question really is whether the CET figure will approach 19.0C, although I would agree it is more doubtful if that figure will be exceeded.


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Caz
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16 July 2018 11:42:52

Met office Hadley       19.6c        Anomaly    3.7c. Provisional to 15th.  Same figure   the last  3 days.

Metcheck                   19.48c      Anomaly     3.02c

Netweather                19.79c      Anomaly     3.3c

Alton                         19.9c        Anomaly     1.6c

Mount Sorrel              19.8c        Anomaly     2.12c

Mansfield Woodhouse  19.9c     Anomaly   0.9c

Peasedown St John 21.91c     Anomaly   3.37c

 

Mean of My Watched  10 Station  20.10c.    

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

Hmmm!  Still the same!  Maybe Hadley are adjusting their previously high estimates!  In which case we shouldn’t get such a big downward adjustment at the end of the month.  

It might go up a tad tomorrow though because last night’s minima were a little higher than of late which, added to yesterday’s high, should give a greater average.  But, that’s assuming their official stations had similar temperatures to my back yard! 


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