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The Beast from the East
01 June 2018 09:15:03

The enduring feature of the weather in our neck of the woods these past few weeks has been the absence of the jetstream driving Atlantic fronts eastwards. The resulting weather has been better in the west than in the east of these islands.

Being a solar cycle watcher, I think we are seeing the effects of an early solar minimum, which for some reason has an effect on blocking patterns and the strength of the jetstream. We are in a meridional pattern instead of a zonal pattern for the foreseeable I think.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Its does feel far more continental. Warm and humid and the lack of fresh atlantic air that we are used to in this country. It would be great in winter - lets hope the pattern lasts

Also very good for grapes and English wine industry. Climate change in action!

 


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Saint Snow
01 June 2018 14:26:32

To all you east coasters moaning about the murk - it’s nice here in the west and we usually get more than our fair share of crap weather in the spring and summer months.

Please, for us, put up with it for a little bit longer ;-) 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

 

Well said that man!


Martin

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LeedsLad123
01 June 2018 14:51:30
To be fair, since you're so used to crap weather, it should be easier for you to put up with it. 😉
Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Joe Bloggs
01 June 2018 15:58:27

To be fair, since you're so used to crap weather, it should be easier for you to put up with it. ;-)

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

Another dry warm and relatively sunny day this side of the Pennines! :)

lol 

 

Tim A
01 June 2018 17:01:12

The weather has been fine for ages here. Hardly any rain, yes some frustrating north sea cloud at times but generally sunny, warm and dry.
Glad i dont live on the east coast though.
E.g been watching the temperature in Bridlington for a while now and its been terrible. Today however looked great , 20c and sunny at 3pm, only to be replaced by 13c at 5pm, people of Bridlington BBQ plans cancelled!


Tim

NW Leeds

187m asl

 My PWS 

LeedsLad123
01 June 2018 18:32:42

 

Another dry warm and relatively sunny day this side of the Pennines! :)

lol 

 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Exactly the same here so no worries. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Devonian
01 June 2018 19:38:35

The enduring feature of the weather in our neck of the woods these past few weeks has been the absence of the jetstream driving Atlantic fronts eastwards. The resulting weather has been better in the west than in the east of these islands.

Being a solar cycle watcher, I think we are seeing the effects of an early solar minimum, which for some reason has an effect on blocking patterns and the strength of the jetstream. We are in a meridional pattern instead of a zonal pattern for the foreseeable I think.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I don't think there is any evidence for you view - there is (?) no evidence of a roughly 11 cycle to blocking patterns and the strength of the jetstream.

I think I know what is happening. But, I better not say.

telemarker
01 June 2018 20:13:16

Looks like yet another shockingly bad June coming up. Reminiscent of early June 2007 with a continuation of the anticyclonic easterlies/north easterlies which have already overstayed their welcome.

This weekend looks a write-off then when the anticylonic easterly muck departs at the end of next week we end up with cyclonic easterly muck and write-off weekend #2

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2161.gif

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif

Horrible, depressing stuff. What happened to a normal westerly pattern? Prior to 2007 it used to be rare for June to record under 150 hours sun. Now it's the norm 

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

same comment as winter - move inland 30 miles.

you will get heaps of snow in winter and heaps of sunshine in summer and no Haar :)

i work in Aberdeen and live 30 miles inland, very weather different inland

this May we have had highest solar power generated since we had solar panels fitted in 2011

Maunder Minimum
01 June 2018 21:32:50

 

I don't think there is any evidence for you view - there is (?) no evidence of a roughly 11 cycle to blocking patterns and the strength of the jetstream.

I think I know what is happening. But, I better not say.

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

There is a climate correlation between extended solar minima and northern blocking with a meridional jet.


New world order coming.
Bertwhistle
02 June 2018 08:22:58

Good consistency for a week in the GFS ensemble spread, with 10C+ uppers throughout for the south. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=382

 


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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eddied
02 June 2018 10:52:12
Seems to be a very similar pattern to the second half of winter with high pressure happier to wander north than south.

A risk of Thundery lows to the south drawing humidity and unstable warmth up from the south and east, but perhaps a bit more stable than the week just gone.

Not wall to wall sunshine but no complaints here.


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Winter 22/23

Days snow falling: 4

Days snow on ground:8

Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th

Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th

Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st

moomin75
02 June 2018 19:08:21
A significant turn for the worse today in the mid range. Pattern change potentially incoming and if the ECM verifies it would be a long way back to settled. The concern is that the Met Office MRF has also taken a turn for the worse, so not looking too promising now.
Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Arcus
02 June 2018 19:10:04
ECM 12z goes LP Atlantic incursion from midweek onwards with LP setting up over the UK. I suspect the end is in sight toward the end of the week for the blocked scenario we're currently in given other models are also coming on board, with varying timings.
Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

SJV
02 June 2018 19:33:20

A significant turn for the worse today in the mid range. Pattern change potentially incoming and if the ECM verifies it would be a long way back to settled. The concern is that the Met Office MRF has also taken a turn for the worse, so not looking too promising now.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Hehe, I presumed we'd had a dodgy run or two after seeing your name back in here! 

Can't disagree with your analysis though - poor runs today but given what we've enjoyed this May it was inevitable this pattern would end at some stage. After suffering some cloudy mornings during the last week I don't mind the return of westerlies as long as it's not a rain-fest.

I do disagree with the 'long way back to settled' comment however! 

 

TimS
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02 June 2018 19:47:55
Yep, looking like another summer write off after a decent spring. Summer is over*

*subject to change of mind if the models switch again


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
The Beast from the East
02 June 2018 20:34:32

Yep, looking like another summer write off after a decent spring. Summer is over*

*subject to change of mind if the models switch again

Originally Posted by: TimS 

thank god! I hate the heat. Though it is nice to see girls in hot pants walking around everywhere 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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SJV
02 June 2018 20:54:29
Good job there's no actual evidence of summer being over 😉
Nick Gilly
02 June 2018 21:28:22

A significant turn for the worse today in the mid range. Pattern change potentially incoming and if the ECM verifies it would be a long way back to settled. The concern is that the Met Office MRF has also taken a turn for the worse, so not looking too promising now.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

 

It's the Moom Monsoon!

Sevendust
02 June 2018 22:17:47

 The sensible view is that there are indications, albeit largely slack, of Atlantic influence towards mid-term.

This would be expected in many years at this time but the depth and longevity of any realignment are purely based on speculation and often doom-laden prophecy so I won't be losing any sleep given that we aren't even there yet

David M Porter
03 June 2018 09:05:31

 

Hehe, I presumed we'd had a dodgy run or two after seeing your name back in here! 

Can't disagree with your analysis though - poor runs today but given what we've enjoyed this May it was inevitable this pattern would end at some stage. After suffering some cloudy mornings during the last week I don't mind the return of westerlies as long as it's not a rain-fest.

I do disagree with the 'long way back to settled' comment however! 

 

Originally Posted by: SJV 

Well to my mind anyway, this morning's output generally looks somewhat better than it did last night. ECM 00z op has dropped the idea of a LP sitting over the UK for a number of days as it showed last night and the GFS 00z op looks better than the 12z did yesterday evening.

To be honest, at this stage I would be careful about placing a lot of faith in any given outcome for the period starting the week after next weekend. I sense that the set-up we have at the moment is one that the models sometimes struggle a but with and can sometimes take a few days to properly work out what happened thereafter.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Hungry Tiger
03 June 2018 09:22:43

Not bad - we need the high to muscle in a bit more - But give it time.

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.html

 


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Jiries
03 June 2018 09:51:52

Not sure where the BBC forecast lower temps tomorrow and Tuesday when the graph show going up further as today we getting around mid 20's so should be near 30C or possible 30C early this week?  I think today I would see around 27C or 28C as it already hot this morning.

Saint Snow
03 June 2018 10:13:57

I wouldn't be too bothered if we had a poor June in exchange for a dry, sunny & warm July & August.

The problem, though, is that when the westerly tap gets turned on, it can be very stubborn.


Martin

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Col
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03 June 2018 10:40:21

I wouldn't be too bothered if we had a poor June in exchange for a dry, sunny & warm July & August.

The problem, though, is that when the westerly tap gets turned on, it can be very stubborn.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I would be, as I am on holiday for two weeks from the 18th. I think it would be too much to ask for the warm and mainly settled weather that we had through most of May will continue unabated for the rest of this month too. There has to be a breakdown at some point and I would prefer that to be w/c 11th June. Let this week be rather unsettled and then a re-load of high pressure for the start of my hols. GFS does hint at this with a rather vigouros low (for June) towards the end of this week then an improvement thereafter. But of course it is a long way off and the only reason I am carefully looking at these charts is that my holiday starts then. A bit like looking at Christmas Day when that comes into range, but we all do it, right kids?


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

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http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

johncs2016
03 June 2018 11:57:22
I don't want this to be seen as a "summer is over" post, but it won't surprise me one single bit if we have already "had" our summer for this year during May (and to a large extent, during the second half of April as well). This is similar to what happened in this part of the world last year, and is what tends to happen a lot of the time here. All too often, we get a really good April or a really good May (in 2012, that was a really good March) only for the actual summer itself, to then be crap.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

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