Polar Low
27 July 2019 20:00:25

Yes Caz


An inspection is typically something that a site is required to do by a compliance obligation. An audit is the process of checking that compliance obligations have been met, including that the required inspections have been done.


 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


A little confused by that (not difficult for me) but it seems investigations and verifications are underway with the Cambridge station’s record breaking temp!


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27 July 2019 20:02:25

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes Caz


An inspection is typically something that a site is required to do by a compliance obligation. An audit is the process of checking that compliance obligations have been met, including that the required inspections have been done.


 Thank you for the update PL!


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I am hoping the record verifies, just so we can say new records for heat have been set in the 90s, 00s and 10s as we enter the 20s next year!
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27 July 2019 20:13:22

Originally Posted by: RobR 

I am hoping the record verifies, just so we can say new records for heat have been set in the 90s, 00s and 10s as we enter the 20s next year!

Ahhh!  That’s an interesting fact!  


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27 July 2019 20:27:57

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


 


The warmest ever winter temperature 21.2c at Kew gardens 26th February



Ah sorry, I thought you meant cold temps.


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27 July 2019 20:51:09

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



  • Hoping be patient folks

  • Current issues


  • There is a known issue with the sunlight and rain sensors sometimes over-reporting readings. We are investigating how best to fix this and we should be able to correct archived records once the problem is resolved.


 


However T sensor corrected in 2004 approx



  • Although the temperature sensor is surrounded by a white box, it is affected by the presence of direct sunlight. You should be aware that it can overestimate the temperature on very sunny days. However, the move to the William Gates Building has resulted in a site with much better shade, and so we hope this will no longer be significant.

  • as long as that is within the the allowed limits it will stand


Very good documentation from them on past errors.


No manual input entered as yet


T goes FSD lets hope for check pass from met and inspection audit


ps wont let me post T Chart goes FSD at >35C @ approx 13.30 returns 16.00


Ps @Brian I know what ext links mean now best to be safe nice one



The above extracts are from the website of the University of Cambridge Digital Technology Group station, which is run by software engineers - hence the reference to William Gates building - and is in the west of the city.


This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Cambridge University Botanic Gardens station which is in the south of the city.


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Polar Low
27 July 2019 21:08:50

 Do you know the precise location of the sensor at Botanic Gardens station  I assumed wrongly of its location apologies.


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The above extracts are from the website of the University of Cambridge Digital Technology Group station, which is run by software engineers - hence the reference to William Gates building - and is in the west of the city.


This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Cambridge University Botanic Gardens station which is in the south of the city.


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27 July 2019 22:32:24

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 Do you know the precise location of the sensor at Botanic Gardens station  I assumed wrongly of its location apologies.



On this MetOffice website page the map of the official observing stations gives the location of the CUBG site as:


Cambridge, Botanic Garden

Location: 52.194, 0.131

 

Although on inspection, the Google satellite view seems to think it's at:

 

Location: 52.194, 0.129


 

 


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27 July 2019 22:59:53

Originally Posted by: RobR 

I am hoping the record verifies, just so we can say new records for heat have been set in the 90s, 00s and 10s as we enter the 20s next year!


Let's not forget that cold temp record's were also set in the 90's, 10's. 😏 


And so did the 80's so the 00's you could argue we were unlucky.

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28 July 2019 05:31:16

Originally Posted by: RobN 


The above extracts are from the website of the University of Cambridge Digital Technology Group station, which is run by software engineers - hence the reference to William Gates building - and is in the west of the city.


This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Cambridge University Botanic Gardens station which is in the south of the city.


Oh!  I thought it was an official statement regarding the station where the record temp was being verified!  It was a bit vague.   


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28 July 2019 06:23:31

From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/



I await the results with bated breath!


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28 July 2019 06:48:44

Originally Posted by: Retron 


From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/



I await the results with bated breath!



The historical aerial imagery of the site posted earlier do not inspire confidence.


Originally Posted by: james 


This image perhaps demonstrates the regard shown for the weather station at Cambridge Botanic Garden:


http://web.yurgn31.50mail.com/CambridgeBG.jpg



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28 July 2019 07:02:58

Originally Posted by: Caz 


Oh!  I thought it was an official statement regarding the station where the record temp was being verified!  It was a bit vague.   



Indeed. The selective quotes were taken from this page on the DTG website and refer to this station. It's not exactly standard exposure - note the air con unit on the same roof in the background!


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Brian Gaze
28 July 2019 07:12:08

Originally Posted by: Retron 


From an article in the Telegraph, about how we should install French-style window shutters and so forth to keep cool:

"The 38.7C recorded at Cambridge Botanic Gardens awaits expert tests to see if it is a true reading, with results expected early next week, the Met Office said.

There are suggestions that bare soil soaking up heat around the weather station may have led to an artificially high recording."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/heat-proof-home-under-floor-cooling-shutters-architects-say/



I await the results with bated breath!



If that turns out to be the case it will be a complete and utter debacle. I've reviewed a number of photos and have drawn no conclusions.


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28 July 2019 07:13:15

Originally Posted by: RobN 


 


Indeed. The selective quotes were taken from this page on the DTG website and refer to this station. It's not exactly standard exposure - note the air con unit on the same roof in the background!



Seems like quite a tale of woe of malfunctions & mishaps over the years. Quite a shambles to be honest. Surely this isn't normal for most weather stations?


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28 July 2019 07:26:59

Originally Posted by: Col 


 


Seems like quite a tale of woe of malfunctions & mishaps over the years. Quite a shambles to be honest. Surely this isn't normal for most weather stations?



For clarification: This DTG station isn't an official station. It's a experiment set up by a group of software engineers in the University Computer Laboratory. It is unreliable in my opinion.


It has nothing to do with the Botanic Gardens site.


However, some climate sceptic bloggers are using the DTG readings as a means of discrediting the Botanic Gardens site reading!


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28 July 2019 07:29:18

Originally Posted by: RobN 


Indeed. The selective quotes were taken from this page on the DTG website and refer to this station. It's not exactly standard exposure - note the air con unit on the same roof in the background!


Thanks for clarifying Rob!  


I completely misunderstood PL’s post!  I thought he was reporting news about the station due to verify the record temp. 


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28 July 2019 07:30:05

Its funny how the very recent heat records have been broken during the less than brilliant summers and not during the two good summers of this decade, 2013 and 2018.


 


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28 July 2019 07:39:10

Originally Posted by: RobN 


 


For clarification: This DTG station isn't an official station. It's a experiment set up by a group of software engineers in the University Computer Laboratory. It is unreliable in my opinion.


It has nothing to do with the Botanic Gardens site.


However, some climate sceptic bloggers are using the DTG readings as a means of discrediting the Botanic Gardens site reading!



Yes, I do realise that it is nothing to do with Cambridge Botanic Gardens or even an official station. I was simply commenting upon the rather shambolic manner it appears to have been run and wondering whether other stations have similar problems.


I wonder if those deniers know they are not even talking about the same station or they are deliberately spreading misinformation. I wouldn't really liike to say.


 


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28 July 2019 07:41:51

Originally Posted by: Col 


I wonder if those deniers know they are not even talking about the same station or they are deliberately spreading misinformation. I wouldn't really liike to say. 



IMO they would be better off asking questions about the station that made the report.


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