DEW
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15 October 2019 06:10:05

TD15 now formed east of Cabo Verde islands, likely to become storm Nestor, but otherwise not to amount to much. Interesting only as it would break the record for formation of an easterly TS this late in the year by a large margin


LATEST(2130 BST) NHC have downgraded it so will only be TD 15, not a named storm. Maybe the disturbance now showing in the Gulf of Mexico will get the next name but not for a few days yet in any case


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DEW
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18 October 2019 05:40:35

TD 16 now formed in the Gulf, expected to become a named storm(Nestor) as the SSTs are still well above normal there. Forecast doesn't predict further deepening but instead a quick run across eastern states where its rain will be useful (they have a drought) and out into the Atlantic.. Landfall in the Florida panhandle where storm surge may be a problem


EDIT - now (0700 Sat) definitely storm Nestor landfalling in Florida with most of the severe weather southeast of storm centre 


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Chichester 12m asl
Quantum
25 October 2019 18:46:43

This is a tropical storm. I'm sorry but it is.



Its obvious there is very clear discrimination against high latitude or mediteranian warm cored systems. We should not discriminate on the origin of the storm.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
25 October 2019 20:03:03

NHC do have it as a tropical system though not yet named


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picturesareme
25 October 2019 22:41:14

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


This is a tropical storm. I'm sorry but it is.



Its obvious there is very clear discrimination against high latitude or mediteranian warm cored systems. We should not discriminate on the origin of the storm.


 



Yeah tropical storm pablo 

Quantum
25 October 2019 23:15:39

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Yeah tropical storm pablo 



So glad it was classified!


Such a cool storm.


Very similar to a medicane.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
DEW
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26 October 2019 04:53:00

Blink and you've missed it - there was Olga, as well, formed in the Gulf of Mexico and already gone post-tropical. Neither Olga nor Pablo was named on the NHC chart yesterday, though Olga was shown as a disturbance unlikely to intensify.


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Chichester 12m asl
Quantum
26 October 2019 16:43:26


Pablo is adorable, its so tiny!


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
27 October 2019 09:41:34

Where is Q?


 Pablo very nearly became a Hurricane. So close! perhaps it did for a while but we may never know


https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT3+shtml/270832.shtml


 


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The Beast from the East
27 October 2019 09:43:35

In the Arabian Sea, Cyclone Kyarr equivalent of a Cat 5


https://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/storms/KYARR.html


 


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Retron
27 October 2019 14:57:54
Pablo is now a hurricane. Shades of Vince, methinks!

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT3+shtml/271450.shtml 

(Clearly in the NE Atlantic the NHC's normal rules regarding SSTs don't always apply).
Leysdown, north Kent
Quantum
27 October 2019 17:16:53

Lol Pablo has to be the furthest NE hurricane ever.


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Bagfish
27 October 2019 23:25:56

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Lol Pablo has to be the furthest NE hurricane ever.



This article confirms it is


https://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/record-breaking-hurricane-pablo-mk/


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LeedsLad123
27 October 2019 23:59:21

It can’t be long until an actual hurricane makes landfall in Europe. At this rate I could see one hitting the UK or Ireland in the near future. Pablo formed over waters of 17-19C!


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
The Beast from the East
31 October 2019 00:18:04

God, they've named a storm after "Rebekah" Vardy


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Quantum
31 October 2019 00:32:30

Unbelievable. 3rd Azores TC in a Year?!?!!


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
johncs2016
31 October 2019 07:33:29

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Unbelievable. 3rd Azores TC in a Year?!?!!


 



Under normal circumstances, you would expect the Azores High to keep any Atlantic Hurricanes away from that part of the world, so the fact that this hasn't really happened this year is probably enough on its own to show that the atmosphere is certainly not behaving in the manner in which we would normally expect it to.


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Maunder Minimum
31 October 2019 08:15:43

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Unbelievable. 3rd Azores TC in a Year?!?!!


 



Interesting. Now the question is what has changed?


We have not previously had an extended solar minimum in the modern era and the current one is breaking the records set in the previous minimum. Is that a factor, or is it our old chestnut AGW, or is it a combination of various different factors?


Is it possible to examine any historic data from the Dalton minimum to see if any similar effects were seen? (The Maunder Minimum would lack any such historic climate data I would surmise).


 


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DEW
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31 October 2019 09:58:00

FWIW. Is the recent increase in small named storms (and the overall total) a climatic effect, or just better (satellite) observation?


Only six other seasons have had 17+ named storms by October 30: 1933, 1995, 2005, 2010, 2011 and 2012. Rebekah became a named storm at 38.3°N—the farthest north that an Atlantic named storm has formed this late in the calendar year since Subtropical Storm Two developed on December, 9, 1975.  7 of the first 16 Atlantic named storms in 2019 lasted 24 hours or less as a named storm—the most extremely short-lived named storms on record, breaking the old record of 6 set in 2005.


https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Devils-Night-Surprise-Subtropical-Storm-Rebekah-Forms-Central-Atlantic?cm_ven=cat6-widget


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picturesareme
31 October 2019 16:17:30

Originally Posted by: DEW 


FWIW. Is the recent increase in small named storms (and the overall total) a climatic effect, or just better (satellite) observation?


Only six other seasons have had 17+ named storms by October 30: 1933, 1995, 2005, 2010, 2011 and 2012. Rebekah became a named storm at 38.3°N—the farthest north that an Atlantic named storm has formed this late in the calendar year since Subtropical Storm Two developed on December, 9, 1975.  7 of the first 16 Atlantic named storms in 2019 lasted 24 hours or less as a named storm—the most extremely short-lived named storms on record, breaking the old record of 6 set in 2005.


https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Devils-Night-Surprise-Subtropical-Storm-Rebekah-Forms-Central-Atlantic?cm_ven=cat6-widget



All most certainly satellites. 

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