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Offline AJ*  
#521 Posted : 12 August 2019 09:00:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gusty Go to Quoted Post


Its a shocker the difference 250 miles makes NW to SE in this country. I admittedly struggle to get my head around it. 



I think that this summer the NW/SE contrast has been much greater than average.  In providing stats to back this up I am much frustrated by the fact that wunderground.com appears to have lost patches of recent data from its records of my local PWSs, but from surviving records since the beginning of June (72 days), we've had 16 wet days (rainfall >1mm) i.e. 22%; and 43 dry days, i.e. 60%.


The remaining 13 days are missing data, but if they are allocated wet/dry in the same proportions as the days for which data is available (my hunch is that this overestimates the wet days) the totals are: wet 19 days (26%) dry 53 days (74%), which combined with daytime temperatures consistently above 21*C makes for a pretty decent summer, with lots of useable days outside.  In My Back Garden, of course.


 


And I have not seen a thunderstorm in that period either.  The majority of that action has been well to the north of here, or has passed to the west or the east.

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#522 Posted : 12 August 2019 09:40:46(UTC)
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We have had one barbecue all summer here mainly due to how unsettled it has been and we haven't been invited to any. That is a barbecue record low for me! On the one day we did have one, it was warm but we sat through three showers.


I can't speak for everywhere but here in the North West, it has been average to poor as Saint said. Even most of the better days have seen rain. The stats are a bit skewed by this as a 25C day with hours of sun also most likely saw numerous showers too.


The weather has now turned cooler and mixed and the rest of August looks to carry on like this. It does have that 'summer is over' feel to it now.

Edited by user 12 August 2019 09:44:25(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Online Col  
#523 Posted : 12 August 2019 09:46:02(UTC)
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I know today was never going to be a great day but I've been stuck under an endless stream of showers for some hours now. Temp 11.5C, just dismal for August. There isn't much else nearby on the radar so I guess it's just sheer bad luck with the alingment but once something like this takes hold it can be hard to shake off.

Edited by user 12 August 2019 09:52:25(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Online andy-manc  
#524 Posted : 12 August 2019 10:08:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Col Go to Quoted Post


I know today was never going to be a great day but I've been stuck under an endless stream of showers for some hours now. Temp 11.5C, just dismal for August. There isn't much else nearby on the radar so I guess it's just sheer bad luck with the alingment but once something like this takes hold it can be hard to shake off.



Looks like you're in the firing line for the showers forming over Blackpool. Another heavy batch on its way. Just shows how localised these showers can be and how you can get stuck either in them or out of them. It hasn't rained at all YET here in Warrington and has been quite bright this morning.

Offline richardabdn  
#525 Posted : 12 August 2019 18:55:58(UTC)
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Yet another dire, grey and drizzly evening that is utterly useless for doing anything outdoors 


Absolutely sick to death of it. Might as well be mid-winter already for all the opportunity there is for outdoor activity. In fact it's worse than that as evidenced by my step count for the past week. Every week from mid-April to mid-September last year I hit at least 70,000 steps and the same was true this year until now. Last week was so dire I failed to even hit 50,000. That was worse than any week from the entirety of last winter and in fact the worst since the atrocious late November last year.


Absolutely sickening 

2007 onwards: The Worst Summers since the 1690s?
2007: Dullest June on record, dullest summer since 1944; 170% of average rainfall
2008: Dullest August since 1963; 139% of average rainfall for the season
2009: 121% of average rainfall for the season
2010: Another notably dull spell of June weather; 103% of average rainfall, 87% of average sun for the season
2011: Very cool, dull and wet with a record breaking run of sub-21C days. 169% of average rainfall for the season.
2012: The worst summer since at least 1879. Dullest since 1912 with only 62% of average sun and 171% of average rainfall. Only 0.1C warmer than 1965, the coldest post-war summer
2013: The only decent summer.
2014: Another top 10 dull June and the wettest August since 1963.
2015: The wettest July since 1970. 148% of average rainfall for the season.
2016: 5th wettest June since 1856. 154% of average rainfall for the season and 87% of average sun.
2017: Wettest June on record.
2018: The weekend curse strikes again.
Offline Saint Snow  
#526 Posted : 12 August 2019 19:25:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: andy-manc Go to Quoted Post


 It hasn't rained at all YET here in Warrington and has been quite bright this morning.



I'll whisper it, but it's been a nice day here. A bit lacking in warmth, but mostly sunny this afternoon and light winds. And no bloody rain!!

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Offline KevBrads1  
#527 Posted : 13 August 2019 05:24:03(UTC)
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Manchester Summer Indices 

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2017 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194
1902 195
2019 195 (up to 12th August)
1915 196
1981 196
1928 197
1962 197
1964 197
2004 197
1952 198
2000 198
1930 199
1974 199
1979 199 


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Online Col  
#528 Posted : 13 August 2019 05:46:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow Go to Quoted Post


 


I'll whisper it, but it's been a nice day here. A bit lacking in warmth, but mostly sunny this afternoon and light winds. And no bloody rain!!



After my moan yesterday morning about the showers, and it was pretty dreadful, conditions improved markedly into the afternoon. By mid/late afternoon it was really quite sunny.

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Offline Saint Snow  
#529 Posted : 14 August 2019 10:13:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow Go to Quoted Post


 


I'll whisper it, but it's been a nice day here. A bit lacking in warmth, but mostly sunny this afternoon and light winds. And no bloody rain!!



 


About 10 mins after I posted that, it started raining.


Another day chalked up for the 'it rained' column.


 

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Online johncs2016  
#530 Posted : 14 August 2019 10:52:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow Go to Quoted Post


 


 


About 10 mins after I posted that, it started raining.


Another day chalked up for the 'it rained' column.


 



No rain here yet though, and the Sun even briefly came out a short while ago when I was returning home from doing some shopping.


It was forecast to rain here today by around 12 noon and we're coming up to that time now. Furthermore, all of the model output as shown here at TWO was showing this area as being covered by rain by around this time.


Yet the rain radar maps are showing nothing in this vicinity in terms of any rainfall which might last for any length of time (only a nearby decaying shower is showing up nearby and nothing more than that).


This shows that the models and indeed, the forecasts have got it completely wrong for this time of the day in this part of the world. Whoever made up these forecasts and this model output should be taken account for that, and all of them in my books should be sacked immediately from that job and replaced by someone who can do that job properly.


 

Edited by user 14 August 2019 10:54:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

MY THREE LOCAL WEATHER STATIONS
EDINBURGH GOGARBANK (more up to date sunshine totals come from here)
Latitude: 55° 55' 40.8'' N (DMS) or 55.928° (Dec)
Longitude: 3° 20' 34.8'' W (DMS) or -3.343° (Dec)
Altitude: 57m above mean sea level
EDINBURGH AIRPORT (added as an additional backup)
Latitude: 55° 56' 53.88'' N (DMS) or 55.9483° (Dec)
Longitude: 3° 20' 40.92'' W (DMS) or -3.447° (Dec)
Altitude: 33m above mean sea level
ROYAL BOTANIC GARDENS, EDINBURGH (the closest station to where I live)
Latitude: 55° 58' 1.2'' N (DMS) or 55.967° (Dec)
Longitude: 3° 13' 1.2'' W (DMS) or -3.2217° (Dec)
Altitude: 26m above mean sea level
Offline Saint Snow  
#531 Posted : 14 August 2019 10:58:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: johncs2016 Go to Quoted Post


No rain here yet though, and the Sun even briefly came out a short while ago when I was returning home from doing some shopping.



 


The post I quoted was about Monday. Don't get me started on Tuesday & Wednesday - both days riven with showers.


 

Trump on Jeffrey Epstein:
"I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

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Offline Bolty  
#532 Posted : 14 August 2019 11:18:23(UTC)
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Why is August honestly such a sh*tter of a month nowadays? Sick to death of dodging rain and showers and getting soaked everywhere I go. I'm not even bothered about the temperatures, I just want a dry, mostly sunny day.

Thank God I'm off to Toronto and then to New York this weekend. Hopefully I'll actually see a bit of "summer".
Offline KevBrads1  
#533 Posted : 14 August 2019 17:29:23(UTC)
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I am starting to think we have had the wettest mid July-mid August period ever recorded for the region.

Edited by user 14 August 2019 17:32:10(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified


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Offline richardabdn  
#534 Posted : 14 August 2019 17:44:53(UTC)
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Yet another grim , grey and drizzle filled evening from this horrible drizzlefest summer. Had to cut a bike ride short as it started drizzling and only just made it back in time last night before it started lashing.


The rain totals haven't been excessive here but it's raining or drizzling practically every day with very little sun and the unrelenting awful weekends mean you can't plan any days out.  Appalling summer weather that is depressing in the extreme 

2007 onwards: The Worst Summers since the 1690s?
2007: Dullest June on record, dullest summer since 1944; 170% of average rainfall
2008: Dullest August since 1963; 139% of average rainfall for the season
2009: 121% of average rainfall for the season
2010: Another notably dull spell of June weather; 103% of average rainfall, 87% of average sun for the season
2011: Very cool, dull and wet with a record breaking run of sub-21C days. 169% of average rainfall for the season.
2012: The worst summer since at least 1879. Dullest since 1912 with only 62% of average sun and 171% of average rainfall. Only 0.1C warmer than 1965, the coldest post-war summer
2013: The only decent summer.
2014: Another top 10 dull June and the wettest August since 1963.
2015: The wettest July since 1970. 148% of average rainfall for the season.
2016: 5th wettest June since 1856. 154% of average rainfall for the season and 87% of average sun.
2017: Wettest June on record.
2018: The weekend curse strikes again.
Offline Caz  
#535 Posted : 14 August 2019 17:56:13(UTC)
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It’s been a mostly grey and drizzly day here too!  Not nice but I really can’t complain as we’ve seen very little rain since June.  

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Offline TimS  
#536 Posted : 14 August 2019 21:40:07(UTC)
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Yes, August in today’s climate is an autumn month. I’m going to do some analysis of the stats to see what’s going on here. I know it’s one of only 2 months along with December with no significant warming trend (at least it was last time I looked). Yet July is getting to be almost predictably dry and warm in the SE.

Significantly warmer and sunnier Augusts than average since 2003 here in the SE: zero

Average-slightly warm and average sunshine 2005, 2009 at a push, 2013, 2016 if were being charitable. Dull most other years, and whilst never cold, rarely very warm and often very wet.

Then Septembers warm, dry and sunny year after year, with only a few exceptions.

I get the sense the same is true of much of Western Europe. Just chance, or some kind of long term pattern shift?
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#537 Posted : 15 August 2019 05:07:44(UTC)
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Since 17th July and up to 13th August, a provisional rainfall total of around a staggering 174mm. I reckon it is has been the wettest mid July-mid August since at least 1931 for the NW England and N Wales region


Manchester Summer Indices 

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2017 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194
2019 194 (up to 14th August)
1902 195
1915 196
1981 196
1928 197
1962 197
1964 197
2004 197
1952 198
2000 198
1930 199
1974 199
1979 199 


Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site
http://www.youtube.com/c...z2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists
Offline Frank H  
#538 Posted : 15 August 2019 07:46:48(UTC)
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If I've counted correctly from Kevin's indices above, 9 of the last 13 years are in the top 40 worst summers 

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#539 Posted : 15 August 2019 08:22:04(UTC)
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Simple Summer Index 2001-2018 by Whether Idle
YearManstonBradfordGlasgowLondonLerwickEastbourneYeoviltonArmaghStornoway
200166.450.845.265.533.268.861.345.340.2
200264.447.043.558.339.662.757.042.337.0
200374.152.851.669.943.872.662.150.439.1
200460.346.144.962.042.364.756.247.438.7
200565.451.751.761.434.270.763.045.734.8
200670.157.057.465.840.070.967.652.842.9
200759.146.945.851.735.461.851.641.439.7
200865.843.142.554.238.260.049.040.639.1
200968.549.446.956.244.767.551.147.040.6
201062.649.648.559.335.466.260.448.036.1
201159.754.048.753.336.363.849.044.437.8
201255.141.142.149.736.758.744.038.439.1
201362.358.457.365.937.868.463.855.642.7
201462.153.755.262.437.262.860.848.042.7
201556.050.645.056.930.960.457.044.030.7
201663.848.943.057.938.461.757.142.234.8
201765.447.537.259.536.067.254.641.540.1
201874.762.855.772.839.973.866.653.339.4
          
mean64.250.647.960.137.865.757.346.038.6All stations52.0
median64.150.146.359.437.565.457.145.539.151.6
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Offline David M Porter  
#540 Posted : 15 August 2019 08:29:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze Go to Quoted Post


Don't need stats to tell me summer has been mediocre in these parts. There have been decent spells and obviously a couple of heat bursts. However unlike last year it hasn't been the kind of summer where we have felt like having barbecues. 



I'm getting the impression from reading other posts that it hasn't been a great summer over most of the UK, save for a few areas that have been a bit more fortunate.


What has let this summer down for me in terms of my area has been the lack of any sustained settled spell. We haven't had a fully dry week here going all the way back to the start of June, and it has seemed that rain has never been too far away. Even the week of the record-breaking mini-heatwave in late July was not a completely settled affair, and since that spell ended the weather seems to have been worse in a lot of areas than it was previously.

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