And why are we trying to match up the radiative imbalance measured by satellite?  If it is only 0.5 W/m2/yr then that is all the energy that is accumulating.  It is supposed to be over 2.0 W/m2/yr (with feedbacks adding on top of that).

Haven't read the NASA piece have you Bill?

The CERES satellite records some minor imbalances which at around 0.5 W/m2/yr is far, far lower than the theory predicts and the climate models estimate.

So, we can find the 0.5 W/m2/yr accumulation measured by CERES and seems to be actually occuring between OHC content increases of 0.4 W/m2/yr and surface/atmosphere accumulation of 0.08 W/m2/yr but ...

... but it is supposed to be +2.0 W/m2 according to the theory and the climate models.

There are two kinds of missing energy, the missing energy which is measured by the satellites (originally thought to be 0.85 W/m2/yr but now revised down to 0.5 W/m2/yr and can be accounted for) and the even extra missing energy that the theory predicts should be there but even the satellites don't seem to see.  

See figure.s3 in the Supplemental:  

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/18383638/336597800/name/ngeo1375.pdf

Supplemental:

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/extref/ngeo1375-s1.pdf

Bill,

It is not supposed to be +2 W m-2, that is the total radiative forcing of greenhouse gases that is not the same as the radiative inbalance. The radiative inbalance would only equal the radiative forcing if the forcing was having no impact on the climate system.

The Euro championships are nearly upon us and final preperations are taking place. England will do very well to get through the group phase, with what is a team lacking in real quality but with a new manager at the helm.

My tip as winners are the Germans... I think the spanish players esp the Barca ones looked very tired and i will stick my neck out and plum for the Germans. The spanish will be there or there abouts and likewise the Dutch.

Possible suprise packages... France and Croatia.

I Shall stay with England as long as they stay in....

i'm tipping the germans to win, too. i'm not reading too much into their 5-3 friendly defeat to switzerland yesterday, as they were missing the bayern contingent to their squad.

surprise packages for me...belgium

Same here I recon rep ireland may do quite well .

That would be a big surprise package.

what i meant to say was poland 😉

Actually, I'm astonished Belgium didn't qualify, given the high calibre players at their disposal.

What England would do with the likes of Lukaku (forget his problems at Chelski), Kompany, Hazard, Vermaelen, Vertonghen and so on.

Spain and Germany will be knocking around the semi finals.

You would expect either Poland or the Ukraine to have a good run and possibly reach a semi with a bit of luck.

England have a hard group but I really think France and Sweden are more then beatable, will be hard against the Ukraine.

However I think England will finish 4th in the group and go out without winning a game, a couple of draws will be the only points.

Woy is 'in a good moment' as Postman Pat often used to say. England aren't expected to do that well and a lot of people couldn't give a toss anyway.

One thing's for sure. By not watching any of the upcoming England games I can spare myself the torture of having to listen to that crap band playing 20+ renditions of 'The Great Escape' every bloody match.

LOL we had a band at Middlesbrough back in the samba beat days of the mid to late 90's. They didn't last long. I remember a VERY big bloke with arms as wide as a normal blokes legs standing up and shouting 'If you don't shut the **** up with the **** trumpet I am going to stuff that **** thing up your ***** arse. Which received a round of applause

Another study finds no increase in extreme weather events - which are now being touted as the main threat from AGW
http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=l446053m40t06j43&size=largest 

Says who?

More nonsense dressed up as an informative post.

You're having a good day, Four.  This one plus the Dr Ball one.  Any more?

Our lowest official England support travelling to Ukraine/Poland just 3,000 which is deffo due to fears of what's instore at the other end, forget the economic crisis England Fans would be there, I'd imagine 500 of that 3,000 are the hardcore.

Last week I heard France had only sold 28 tickets YES 28 not 28,000.

Amazing how these 2 Countries known for football violence on a widescale get the oppertunity to host such a tournament.

I remember watching Ross Kemp on Gangs and he travelled to Poland, Some of the scenes were unbelievable, makes our old 70s & 80s Hooligans look tame, or a Chelsea v Spuds Meet

The biggest threats from AGW are the rise in mean global temperature, now at about 1C which will almost certainly exceed 2C and the rise in mean sea-level. Severe weather events will have an impact but the change in the mean state is the biggest.

* And extreme weather events are 'now being touted' by many of "the convinced", 'as the main threat from AGW'. I think "now" is off the mark though, because "extreme weather events" have been the main selling point for convincing the public of AGW for twenty years or more, especially by the politically motivated press. (and if AGW as sold is true, rightly so)

What is this "nonsense", you so readily identify? Personally I would like to see more of this sort of nonsense.  I can only assume that you refer to the paper in the link as nonsense? If so, which part do you find nonsense?

The comparison between temepratures now and the mid nineteenth century ie pre-industrial global temperature. Dangerous climate change is defeined as 2C warming.

Dave, I thought I made it quite clear by highlighting in bold the part with which I disagreed.  For the avoidance of doubt, it was not the paper it was Four's assertion that extreme weather events were being put forward as the main threat.  Clearly that is nonsense - it is indeed A threat but as Tom says, the main one is global temperature increases and associated sea level rise.